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in the 1930s president franklin delano

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roosevelt addressed the nation through a

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series of radio broadcasts known as the

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we're far from 1930 and i deal with a

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worldly frustration we offer a fresh

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conversation i'm greg carlwood and these

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are the higher side chats

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well this is the way higher side chatter

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is doing what we do from sunny san diego

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i'm greg carlwood and if you take even

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the slightest step off the path laid by

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the contrived conventional narratives of

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history drilled into us through

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state-sponsored schooling and pavlovian

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training over the most important

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developmental years of our youth you'll

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find that there are major flaws in the

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expert's history as well as echoes of

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advanced civilization and epic weirdness

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from all corners of this island earth a

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network of pyramids that has yet to be

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explained megalithic structures with

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unique energetic qualities cosmic

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alignments and archaeoacoustic resonance

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complex cosmologies of the indigenous

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cultures that haven't been

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systematically eliminated or co-opted

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mysterious mounds lost cities missing

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islands vast underground complexes

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stories of metaphysical manifestation

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civilizing trickster beans and

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androgynous hybrid fish gods shamanic

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games of telephone with the spirit world

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and thousands of stories of giant

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skeletons with even more myths and

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legends that speak to a time when they

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walked among us and maybe even

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it's as if official history and the

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experts of academia do more concealing

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than revealing these days and that's why

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we're lucky to have the powerful one-two

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punch of truth and today's guests hugh

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newman and jim vieira they are the

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best-selling authors of giants on record

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america's hidden history secrets in the

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mounds and the smithsonian files from

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and stars of history channels search for

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the lost giants and ancient aliens

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now they're out with a new book the

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giants of stonehenge and ancient britain

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which is actually the first book to

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document the reality of giants in the

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british isles together they investigate

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these claims of giants and take a deep

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antiquarian diaries archaeological

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reports local history records newly

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translated ancient texts academic papers

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new scientific reports and written

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evidence from hundreds of sources going

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back over a 4 000 year period to uncover

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the truth over 250 accounts of the

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remains of giant human skeletons ranging

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from 7 ft all the way to 21 feet have

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been found in the archaeological and

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historical record often measured and

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commented on by famous scientists

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scholars and writers at the time yet

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somehow never acknowledged by the modern

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day experts and institutions but hey

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their loss is our gain so let's get into

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it one from the old england and one from

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the new the megalithomaniac supreme and

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giant reality revealers hugh and jim jim

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and hugh welcome to the higher side

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thanks a lot greg hey welcome thanks

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greg appreciate it

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yes i am psyched for this so hugh you're

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from glastonbury england and jim you're

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certainly will help the audience tell

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you apart on an audio only show and big

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thanks to dr greg little for helping us

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find each other because i really loved

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this book it's very rapid fire account

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after account from nearly every area of

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the british isles and you clip a lot of

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these stories right out of the newspaper

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archives which i myself have had many

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late nights combing through usually

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searching for terms like inner earth or

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cave city

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but there's no shortage of strangeness

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when people really want to look for it

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is there that's for sure absolutely yeah

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i mean the amount of documents myself

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and jim have gone through over the years

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is pretty insane we've even been in

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libraries going through microfilm you

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know finding these old diaries and

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things like this and jim discovered this

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scrapbook

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from a very interesting scholar in new

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so yes it's amazing what you find when

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yes and so i know you both have a wide

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range of interests that certainly

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overlap with ours here hugh to start

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with you you're the man behind

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megalithomania.co.uk a really great

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website and an amazing conference that i

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hope to go to someday you were also an

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author on a book that came out last year

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called geomancy earth grids ley lines

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feng shui divination dowsing and dragons

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very provocative but talk to us a bit

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more about your overall interests in

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strange stuff and where giants fit into

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it all

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well yeah fundamentally i'm fascinated

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by the megalithic sights that's my kind

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of real kind of intense passion trying

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to understand what the ancients were up

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myself and john martin and gareth mills

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founded megalithomania back in 2005 did

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our first conference the following year

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and one of our big inspirations is the

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author and scholar john michelle

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who wrote the classic book the view over

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atlantis he wrote the book called

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megalithomania as well back in the 1980s

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and he was a big influence and he's

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really into the earth mysteries and

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trying to understand like the invisible

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aspects of these ancient sites so

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looking at the archaeoastronomy

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the earth energies the ley lines that

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connect them all up

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the archaeoacoustics and things like

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this and so these kind of themes really

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get me and also obviously the geomancy

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trying to understand how the ancients

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were able to manipulate these energies

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for higher states of consciousness but

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also for fertility enhancing farming and

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agriculture and things like this

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and it's what john michelle called the

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enchantment of the landscape and so this

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is kind of what's always fascinated me

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and it surprised me that getting into

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the giant stories when i started

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researching that with jim a few years

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ago like well probably 10 years ago now

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more and more we looked into especially

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in britain

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this geomantic aspect these ley lines

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these kind of divination and all these

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elements are all part of the giants

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they're part of the giant mythos that

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kind of blankets the whole country here

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it's kind of like coming full circle for

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me from my research years ago i was

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studying earth energies and crop circles

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and things like this going to the

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megaliths did that for years and it's

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come back to all these more esoteric

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subjects with these giants so it all

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i love it and jim you're a stonemason

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and writer who has compiled so many news

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articles and academic reports on giants

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you had a blog called the daily giant

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and would post about one every day very

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impressive clearly no shortage of

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information to present

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but i also understand you're very

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interested in the metaphysical and

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you've had maybe hundreds of ayahuasca

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ceremonies in the amazon i heard you say

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that i'm not sure how

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serious you were being but i am curious

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how this metaphysical and spiritual

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interest overlaps with the very real

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reality of giants in the ancient past

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how strong is that overlap might some of

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them have had a metaphysical origin to

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my teenage years reading all the

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non-dualistic teachers like lao tzu the

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upanishads the inviter vendanta and i

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i was just compelled to do it i was

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drawn to the material and i started

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getting to the work of edgar casey the

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christian mystic who would go into like

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a trance-like state

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mostly health-related matters but he

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also got into ideas of atlantis and

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giants and little people

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and metaphysical underpinnings of

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level of awareness or research for a

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for me it was always the indigenous

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around the world and religious documents

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that caught my attention how can all

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these sources be talking about such a

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different history a lost world if you

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will and they're all

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remarkably similar in the ideas of

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ubiquitous and that's what's drawn my

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i don't know if i've done hundreds of

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ayahuasca ceremonies i'd say dozens i

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might misspoke but i spent lots of time

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with wisdom keepers

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and lots of time

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exploring the nature of reality with

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spiritual teachers and masters as well

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around the world so that's always

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drawn me in and as he was saying it's

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like

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the giant story is one of

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wisdom keepers and masters not just the

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malevolent stories you hear in the bible

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there's kind of two stories like one of

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these great civilizers who help humanity

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and another side of the story is kind of

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the dark and malevolent side of

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cannibalistic giants that you hear from

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the bible and native american legends

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and

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you know a tip of the hat to greg little

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as well who studies a lot of the casey

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material he got me interested with his

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books

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and you know it's all coalesced for me

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and i've learned a lot throughout the

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years of dealing with academics and

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skeptics dealing with alternative people

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and trying to be objective about

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controversial subjects um

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well cheers to that it seems like the

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three of us have a lot of overlapping

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interests and hey dozens of amazonian

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ayahuasca sessions is impressive enough

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but so you have this previous book about

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giants in north america and that's

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certainly where we hear about them most

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often at least that's where i hear about

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them most often of course we also hear

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plenty about megalithic sites and stone

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circles in the british isles but talk to

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us about why this book is so unique what

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have you guys brought out that hasn't

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really been explored previously in the

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uh alternative realm

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i mean if you're talking about the new

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book giant stonehenge nation britain

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that really was you know actually in our

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first book giants on record we did

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actually look a little bit at britain

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and we published a couple of accounts in

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there and we were going to do you know

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after we done our book on america you

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know there's so many accounts i mean jim

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collected a majority of the employees we

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had ross hamilton we have mikey ewers

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collecting them i found a few as well

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and we ended up having you know over a

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thousand i think there's something like

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1500 have now been discovered so far

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since you know the last couple of years

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last count but in britain that we didn't

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really think there'd be that many

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accounts but we started looking we were

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going to do a book on the worldwide

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culture of giants go look at each

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country or each you know part of the

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world individually we started on britain

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as the first chapter

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and it just grew and grew and we kept

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finding all these old documents there's

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this brilliant book called the giants of

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wales by chris grooms we found this book

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from the 1500s we checked all these old

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documents

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some translated welsh texts and things

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like this

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and the archives of ireland and we were

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just like stunned because not only have

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you got the accounts of the skeletons

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and the bones and things that were

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recorded as being on display you've also

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got this remarkable lost mythos that

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covered the whole

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all four countries of the british isles

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and

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not many people actually know about many

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of these

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creation stories these foundation myths

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of britain all of them are related to

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giants this is what's so odd and this is

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almost known as the land of the giants

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you know in prehistoric times and it was

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just part of the culture as part of the

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kind of way of thinking back then

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clearly you know one of the things

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that makes this unique as you asked is

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the fact that not only we found loads of

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accounts that no one's ever documented

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before but we found stories associated

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with the giants you know linked at the

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same places where the skeletons are

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being found you know this is what's

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really odd you get these really strong

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stories have been remembered passed down

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from generation to generation they all

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appear to be actually where skeletons

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have been found we've got multiple

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examples like michael's mail

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we've found skeletons in their stone

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hands reports of them

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there's you know the story of the giant

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idris on caddy idris in wales and at the

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base of there they found two over seven

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foot skeletons with these hazel dowsing

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rods in the burial which is again

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linking to this geomantic aspect so

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yeah i mean we've documented and

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published stuff that's never been put

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out there before in a popular kind of

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format of a book and so yeah so there's

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a lot of information i think people kind

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of look at the cover they think it's

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like

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they're not sure what to expect and i

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think it's quite surprising how deep

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we've gone into the research for this

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one

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nice

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and jim let me ask you this so are there

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qualities or common details that vary

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between north american stories and those

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of the british isles how would you

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compare and contrast them are they

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different in any significant ways

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yeah one thing that caught my attention

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is

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you find similar anatomic anomalies

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there are so many accounts of jaw bones

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fitting over the face of the finder

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which indicates a massive skeleton

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there were so many of those in the in

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the united states

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from coast to coast it was really

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compelling

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and

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what we found out was there was a series

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of anthropologists in the 1940s and 50s

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in the united states

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webb and snow from the university of

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kentucky dr don dragoo from the carnegie

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section of man head of anthropology that

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found over seven foot skeletons with

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this massive and robust

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physical

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makeup

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and the jaw bones were so thick and

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large they called it the adena jar and

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the adena was one of the first mound

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building cultures in the united states

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about 1008 bc

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that built a lot of the mounds you see

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in the ohio river valley and their royal

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class was extremely large well over

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seven foot tall for the males well over

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six foot tall for the females and they

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had massive jaw bones that were verified

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by you know modern-day anthropologists

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so you find the same story in the

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british isles you find jaw bones over

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the faces

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well-proportioned massive bone structure

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you also find

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well i'll say to contrast in the united

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states you know because a lot of people

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say dismiss these stories as

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sensationalist hoaxes or headlines or

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misidentified mastodon remains

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but that just really isn't true if you

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look at the evidence what you find is

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a lot of the descriptions are say in the

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united states

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native american

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so these aren't mastodon bones these are

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human burials in the british isles you

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have neolithic burials you have stone

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tombs but you also have a lot of the

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same kind of accounts where railroad

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workers are unearthing an ancient burial

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ground or they're digging a well and

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they encounter this or they dig into a

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burial mound and they find absolutely

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massive

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skeletons just like in the united states

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and the mythology amongst the native

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americans

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is similar to the mythology that you

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find in the british isles of the

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indigenous people and what i found

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fascinating you know for you and i this

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wasn't just like

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not that we were going in blind but it

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was a revelation in itself all the

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things we've uncovered and one of the

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big things is is that all the biblical

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connections

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the incubi and the watchers and the

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shining ones and all these mysterious

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beings that you find in the bible lands

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show up in the british isles as well and

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there's connections with the early

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waves of migration noah's son and albina

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and albion and

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connections to the holy lands in greece

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it's a really fascinating migratory

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story

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and you know at the end of the day

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just a kind of a mundane approach

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doesn't do the story justice there's

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clearly another

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supernatural aspect to it as well and

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that's why i think

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people find this material interesting

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because they intuitively know there's a

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broader story of our past

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one that's rooted in mythology in lost

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worlds and high metaphysical teachings

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so

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i am not anti-science by any means i

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just feel like science operates like an

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atheistic cult where it doesn't give

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enough weight to the metaphysical realms

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and the mythological stories and

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indigenous oral traditions you and i

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approach our research like academics

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but i think the difference is we're open

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to those ideas

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oral traditions carry weight for us

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religious documents carry weight

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especially oral traditions because

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there's a limited amount of information

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you can transmit orally so it won't be

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erroneous it has to be very important to

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the people

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and what are they transmitting ideas of

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lost lands and giants and metaphysical

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teachings so that to me

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well said wow so many

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directions to go but yeah science

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operating as an atheistic cult seems to

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be a thread i can't get away from no

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matter how off the radar the subject i

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think is going to be it just keeps

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coming up especially over the last

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couple of years but i wanted to ask more

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about the physical characteristics

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because this was something that really

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stuck out to me and for anyone who

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isn't sure how much stock to put into

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the giant thing

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there are

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physical characteristics that make some

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of these giants different not only

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bigger but two or even three rows of

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teeth six fingers and toes and some of

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these characteristics

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what makes them really interesting is

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that there are places where we find some

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genetic lineage perhaps would be the

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term of places where some of these

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qualities still pop up talk to us about

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that

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yeah

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i'll say that

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one thing i've really dove into is the

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idea of

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polydactyly extra digits six digits on

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the fingers and six on the toes is found

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all throughout history the bible

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lists the giant of gaff

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as having six fingers and six toes 24

551
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digits in all

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in samaria the summa ibzu in 2800 bc is

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the first one to talk about this idea of

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extra digits and the fact that it is

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always associated with the divine or

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malevolent activity so it's considered a

557
00:20:27,990 --> 00:20:26,000
supernatural trait

558
00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:28,000
and i've searched the globe and have

559
00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:29,120
found

560
00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:31,120
giant hands and feet with six fingers

561
00:20:35,190 --> 00:20:33,120
and toes and rock art and petroglyphs

562
00:20:37,190 --> 00:20:35,200
around the world all around the united

563
00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:37,200
states in the four corners region

564
00:20:41,430 --> 00:20:39,440
isolated pacific islands

565
00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:41,440
australia holy land it's rather

566
00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:42,720
remarkable

567
00:20:45,350 --> 00:20:43,919
and

568
00:20:48,070 --> 00:20:45,360
you have

569
00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:48,080
places like the four corners region of

570
00:20:52,470 --> 00:20:49,760
the united states where the pueblo

571
00:20:54,870 --> 00:20:52,480
people have a higher incidence of this

572
00:20:57,270 --> 00:20:54,880
genetic condition called polydactyly

573
00:20:59,990 --> 00:20:57,280
than the rest of the population you have

574
00:21:02,549 --> 00:21:00,000
tribes in ecuador and villages in spain

575
00:21:05,350 --> 00:21:02,559
where people have this condition

576
00:21:06,789 --> 00:21:05,360
of extra digits so the question is it's

577
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:06,799
associated with the giants it's

578
00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:09,120
associated with the supernatural was

579
00:21:13,510 --> 00:21:11,120
there ancient interbreeding

580
00:21:15,590 --> 00:21:13,520
and you bring up genetics

581
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:15,600
the highest incidence of pituitary

582
00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:18,799
gigantism which is a rare condition when

583
00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:21,360
a tumor grows on the pituitary gland of

584
00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:23,679
an individual and they basically grow

585
00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:25,520
out of control like if you've seen

586
00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:27,760
robert waldo from illinois he was nine

587
00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:29,679
foot tall but he had this disease

588
00:21:33,669 --> 00:21:30,880
condition

589
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:33,679
so the highest incidence of this occurs

590
00:21:39,190 --> 00:21:36,480
in the north in ulster county in ireland

591
00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:39,200
where the tuatha de janine landed

592
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:41,360
they landed on iron mountain in this

593
00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:43,760
this supernatural mist and they were

594
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:46,480
noted to be extremely tall they fought

595
00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:48,880
with the femorians like tolkien's

596
00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:50,640
mythological battles

597
00:21:54,710 --> 00:21:52,640
and you have this incidence this

598
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:54,720
occurrence and you have these accounts

599
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:57,200
of six fingers and toes as well in the

600
00:22:02,070 --> 00:21:59,760
british isles and like i said you have

601
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:02,080
massive jaw bones and other things

602
00:22:05,669 --> 00:22:04,400
associated and that's what we look into

603
00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:05,679
like

604
00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:07,120
there's a genetic condition called

605
00:22:10,390 --> 00:22:09,120
beetle bar syndrome

606
00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:10,400
and you know basically in the same

607
00:22:15,510 --> 00:22:13,440
genetic zip code you have extra digits

608
00:22:16,549 --> 00:22:15,520
and pituitary gigantism

609
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:16,559
so

610
00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:17,840
is this like

611
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:19,039
some kind of

612
00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:20,880
genetic rejection

613
00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:24,080
by larger individuals and it is now a

614
00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:27,200
part of our genetic code but it presents

615
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:29,280
as a disease condition so it's kind of a

616
00:22:33,750 --> 00:22:31,760
genetic interesting mystery that we

617
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:33,760
follow in the book and to your broader

618
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:36,240
question yes the giants had

619
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:38,320
telepathic abilities they could control

620
00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:40,320
weather like many of the native american

621
00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:42,320
shamans in the united states they were

622
00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:44,559
called the tall ones these wisdom

623
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:47,200
bringers who showed up after a flood and

624
00:22:52,149 --> 00:22:49,679
you have to wonder if

625
00:22:53,830 --> 00:22:52,159
there was higher cranial capacity

626
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:53,840
there were metaphysical understandings

627
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:55,360
that we really didn't understand

628
00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:57,120
ourselves that you know in our modern

629
00:23:02,789 --> 00:22:59,120
day society so there's all this kind of

630
00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:02,799
mystery surrounding the idea of giants

631
00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:04,159
you also have

632
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:06,320
the double rows of teeth you mentioned

633
00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:07,600
as well i think that's something me and

634
00:23:10,870 --> 00:23:09,280
jim have kind of got obsessed by a

635
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:10,880
couple of years a few years ago when we

636
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:12,880
were working on our previous book in

637
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:14,159
north america because we had something

638
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:17,760
like what 30 maybe 40 accounts of extra

639
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:20,640
rows of teeth even a third set of teeth

640
00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:23,840
from a seven foot skeleton in florida so

641
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:25,840
that side of it really interests me we

642
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:27,679
have the extra digits we have really

643
00:23:33,430 --> 00:23:30,720
thick skulls in some cases as jim said

644
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:33,440
the adena jaw but we find this you know

645
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:34,880
all these kind of traits in britain it's

646
00:23:39,990 --> 00:23:37,919
also the robust nature of the skeletons

647
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:40,000
as well it's something you know that's

648
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:42,240
been described over and over again in

649
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:44,400
america and in britain so we're not

650
00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:46,080
talking about like basketball players

651
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:49,120
who are sort of quite slim and very tall

652
00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:51,679
they're actually like robust well-formed

653
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:55,520
really powerful kind of physiques and so

654
00:23:59,269 --> 00:23:57,200
that makes it a whole different thing

655
00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:59,279
that isn't pituitary gigantism for

656
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:00,720
instance you don't get that kind of

657
00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:02,880
thing when you're talking about the

658
00:24:07,190 --> 00:24:05,440
types of accounts we're dealing with but

659
00:24:09,669 --> 00:24:07,200
the double rosa t thing we had a lot of

660
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:09,679
debate about that with certain skeptics

661
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:12,480
but we are pretty convinced that

662
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:15,039
it's a genetic trait of giants you know

663
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:17,840
when you go back in time far enough you

664
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:20,400
find these accounts over and over again

665
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:23,520
of extra teeth extra rows of teeth

666
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,679
we've even got a few horn skulls just to

667
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:27,360
make it all go a bit crazy in north

668
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:28,559
america but

669
00:24:32,149 --> 00:24:30,320
and that's a known thing that happens as

670
00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:32,159
well even i think moses was supposed to

671
00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:34,159
have had horns in some accounts as well

672
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:35,840
and so you know also like the double

673
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:38,320
rows of teeth it's also linked i

674
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:40,320
remember robert temple as a well-known

675
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:42,000
author he wrote about them and he

676
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:44,320
suggested that they had really connected

677
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:46,720
with what he described as supernatural

678
00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:49,919
heroes and so this actually is the kind

679
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:50,720
of

680
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:52,880
the stories you get in britain and

681
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:54,480
ireland are

682
00:24:58,950 --> 00:24:57,360
of supernatural heroes and so i find

683
00:25:01,029 --> 00:24:58,960
that particularly interesting because we

684
00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:01,039
found several accounts like cranbourne

685
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:03,440
chase and dorset also i think on the

686
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:05,679
isle of lewis or near there we're

687
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:07,679
finding some accounts some giant

688
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:09,679
skeletons and normal sized skeletons

689
00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:11,679
that have these extra rows of teeth so

690
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:13,279
it's like a genetic throwback you know

691
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:16,159
the last kind of people who kind of had

692
00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:19,360
this and we even spoke i think to shara

693
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:21,679
bailey who was a dental anthropologist

694
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:24,080
from new york university when we were

695
00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:25,919
doing the show a few years ago and she

696
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:28,240
was blown away by all the accounts when

697
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:30,480
we showed them terms she suggested

698
00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:31,679
perhaps

699
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:33,520
this is something that triggers you know

700
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:35,840
as you grow so large you get into like

701
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:38,400
eight feet tall and so on and so forth

702
00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:40,320
and you're doing that naturally which is

703
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:41,840
what we believe these giants it was a

704
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:44,080
natural process of getting to this size

705
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:44,960
through

706
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:48,000
interbreeding with specific kind of

707
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:50,240
other royal class or priestly elites and

708
00:25:54,149 --> 00:25:52,240
things like this that the teeth would

709
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:54,159
actually grow into the space in the

710
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:55,840
mouth and so you would have these extra

711
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:57,840
rows of teeth and it would become like

712
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:00,559
this genetic marker but also be a

713
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:04,559
sign of being of elite status and so all

714
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:06,320
these different things extra rows of

715
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:07,840
teeth

716
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:10,240
powerful physiques large jaws are all

717
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:12,240
connected with these giants but also the

718
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:15,520
supernatural kind of heroes and warriors

719
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:17,919
of these ancient stories so it all kind

720
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:20,559
of comes together it's very odd

721
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:22,240
mm-hmm

722
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:23,760
yes and

723
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:26,480
jim you had mentioned deliberate and

724
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:29,840
elaborate burial sites and then one that

725
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:32,080
i had notes on from the book was

726
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:35,840
actually where he lives in glastonbury i

727
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:38,000
guess it's the giant of glastonbury

728
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:41,279
abbey buried between two big obelisks

729
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:44,400
with strange inscriptions there's like a

730
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:46,720
lead cross buried in the middle and on

731
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:48,960
one side a nine foot skeleton and an oak

732
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:50,000
coffin

733
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:52,320
and three skeletons buried on the right

734
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:54,640
side you have a great diagram of it in

735
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:57,679
the book of how this was all positioned

736
00:27:01,350 --> 00:27:00,159
and it's quite odd and just breezing

737
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:01,360
through some of my notes so i can't

738
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:05,039
believe how fast this is going um

739
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:08,320
also all four countries of the british

740
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:11,279
isles have origin stories that are

741
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:13,600
intimately connected to

742
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:16,240
ruling giants so this is no small thing

743
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:19,200
even if it's just like mythology or lore

744
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:21,600
it's it's there in all four countries of

745
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:23,919
the british isles so i mean that's a

746
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:25,760
pretty big hit but

747
00:27:31,029 --> 00:27:28,240
it seems that quite often these giants

748
00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:31,039
were associated with being kings or

749
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:33,840
rulers what are your thoughts on there

750
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:36,000
being a sort of lineage that still

751
00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:37,600
exists in the

752
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:39,600
what seems to be a tight-knit ruling

753
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:42,320
class today where many world leaders are

754
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:44,720
still interrelated to each other or

755
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:47,440
other famous figures in history

756
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:50,000
are they descendants of these giants and

757
00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:52,080
do you think that behind closed doors

758
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:54,640
they know about some of this stuff

759
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:56,720
well we won't talk about prince andrew

760
00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:03,029
a little hot to talk about him

761
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:05,120
i hear what you're saying the idea of

762
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:07,919
royal bloodlines is something that

763
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:10,159
you find in ancient times you find

764
00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:12,320
interbreeding brother and

765
00:28:16,870 --> 00:28:14,080
sister husband and wife

766
00:28:19,510 --> 00:28:16,880
associated with the gods in egypt and

767
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:19,520
peru and other places

768
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:21,520
and in fact they found ancient

769
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:22,720
interpreting

770
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:25,279
associated with a burial at newgrange

771
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:26,480
recently

772
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:28,480
you could probably google it brother and

773
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:30,960
sister ancestral relationship you know

774
00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:31,840
uh

775
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:33,919
at newgrange or something like that and

776
00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:36,000
you wonder why we view it as like a

777
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:38,320
repugnant behavior but the ancient

778
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:39,679
peoples

779
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:41,679
seem to keep this interbreeding intact

780
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:42,880
to

781
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:50,080
british isles all have giants involved

782
00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:52,240
and it's true it's rather remarkable

783
00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:55,520
albion and albina and england this idea

784
00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:57,279
that

785
00:29:02,789 --> 00:28:59,679
giants are interwoven in not only the

786
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:02,799
mythology but in the priestly elite

787
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:05,360
the idea of kingship

788
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:07,520
the landscape itself

789
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:09,279
virtually every stone circle and

790
00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:11,679
standing stone has some it's the fairy

791
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:14,399
stone or the giant stone

792
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:16,720
there's definitely echoes of ancient

793
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:19,440
migrations of supernatural beings and

794
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:20,960
giant people

795
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:23,039
and i can't get around that i just if

796
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:24,559
you were to be dropped off on earth

797
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:26,399
today and looked around at the

798
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:29,440
megalithic sites the strange

799
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:31,919
gods that are set in iconography and

800
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:34,720
statues around the world the mythologies

801
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:37,120
you just would not be able to make sense

802
00:29:40,990 --> 00:29:38,320
of it through

803
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:41,000
the idea of gradualism and

804
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:42,880
uniformitarianism and the way science

805
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:44,559
portrays the past

806
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:47,360
they seem completely in opposition

807
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:50,080
so we go towards mythology to help fill

808
00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:52,640
in the gaps and what it tells us is that

809
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:54,880
there were giant beings who showed up

810
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:57,360
and they taught a geomantic science

811
00:30:02,149 --> 00:29:59,760
and they built all these structures

812
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:02,159
stonehenge and glastonbury tour like you

813
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:03,440
talked about

814
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:05,360
as an ancient way to enchant the

815
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:07,679
landscape and edgar casey even talked

816
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:09,760
about that it's basically these temple

817
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:11,760
sites are tools of enlightenment when

818
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:13,520
you go to stonehenge or the king's

819
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:16,480
chamber at egypt or machu picchu

820
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:18,240
they really have this effect on the

821
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:20,640
consciousness on human consciousness the

822
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:22,480
elevation of

823
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:24,240
the spirit if you will

824
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:26,240
that's why it's to me it's not just

825
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:27,600
another story because it's an

826
00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:29,200
interesting story

827
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:31,520
but then you move on in most of these

828
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:33,120
ancient mysteries but i feel there's a

829
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:34,080
real

830
00:30:39,510 --> 00:30:36,000
compelling nature to it that has to do

831
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:39,520
with an ancient system that supported

832
00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:40,880
health and prosperity throughout the

833
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:43,120
land but i'll throw it over to hugh

834
00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:45,520
about the glastonbury giant because he's

835
00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:47,919
the one who really lived in glastonbury

836
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:50,960
and knows that story inside and out

837
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:52,720
yeah the glastonbury giant that's one of

838
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:54,559
the kind of classic ones it's one of the

839
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:56,000
oldest ones as well because they were

840
00:31:02,470 --> 00:30:59,840
talking about the late 1100s so the 12th

841
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:02,480
century that this was said to have been

842
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:05,600
found now at the time it was called some

843
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:08,399
dunstance this was one of the earliest

844
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:10,559
christian monasteries or abby's in the

845
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:11,519
country

846
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:14,720
the whole area was sacred long before

847
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:16,080
the christians moved in there's a

848
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:18,399
well-known area you know in tradition

849
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:20,880
it's avalon part of the arthurian mythos

850
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:23,760
and so forth in the late 1100s there was

851
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:26,559
a whole process of discovery and

852
00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:29,440
revelation with these monks linked also

853
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:32,320
with i think king henry seventh or sixth

854
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:34,720
at the time and there was apparently

855
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:36,960
this story that was being kept by the

856
00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:39,120
royal family about

857
00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:42,799
king arthur being buried in glastonbury

858
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:45,200
beneath these two pyramids or next to in

859
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:47,279
between these two pyramids

860
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:48,159
and

861
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:51,919
revelation they found this what they

862
00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:54,000
believed was a spot they dug into it

863
00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:56,320
they found these kind of pillars which

864
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:58,080
are like pyramids with all these strange

865
00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:00,720
engravings on and like he said halfway

866
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:02,320
down about seven or eight feet down they

867
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:04,880
found his lead cross which in latin red

868
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:07,200
here lies in turd the burial of king

869
00:32:11,909 --> 00:32:09,760
arthur and so on and so forth which they

870
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:11,919
believed that might have actually been a

871
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:13,360
some people suggest that might have been

872
00:32:17,909 --> 00:32:15,279
a hoax placed there by the monks to

873
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:17,919
attract pilgrims i.e tourists who would

874
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:20,240
you know donate to the cause but as they

875
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:22,240
dug further down they found this about

876
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:25,200
16 feet down they found this huge

877
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:28,399
oak coffin made out of a solid trunk of

878
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:31,440
oak with two burials in it a male and

879
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:34,000
possibly a female but the male was said

880
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:36,799
to be over nine feet tall and something

881
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:39,279
like the eye socket was so big you could

882
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:41,279
pass your fist through it all that and

883
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:42,799
all these descriptions and all these

884
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:44,720
well-known scholars

885
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:47,440
writers at the time even

886
00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:49,200
members of parliament and other such

887
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:51,440
things all witnessed this and there was

888
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:52,799
even a time

889
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:55,120
a couple of decades later where this big

890
00:32:59,110 --> 00:32:56,960
ceremony took place and the royal family

891
00:33:01,750 --> 00:32:59,120
were involved and actually moved the

892
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:01,760
nine foot skeleton burial from one spot

893
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:04,320
to another spot within the abbey itself

894
00:33:08,549 --> 00:33:06,559
and you can actually see the sign

895
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:08,559
the two signs of where it was discovered

896
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:10,720
and where it was finally buried actually

897
00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:12,320
in the abbey today and yet they don't

898
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:15,200
mention anything about a nine-foot

899
00:33:19,909 --> 00:33:17,279
skeleton being on earth but what's

900
00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:19,919
interesting is is that this is reported

901
00:33:23,830 --> 00:33:22,320
on for the next 200 years and verified

902
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:23,840
over and over again by people who

903
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:26,240
witnessed it and yet it's not really

904
00:33:30,149 --> 00:33:27,600
talked about it's not in the kind of

905
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:30,159
classic glastonbury mythos that people

906
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:33,200
write about today and discuss today so

907
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:36,399
but this is also the area of a tribe of

908
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:39,120
giants called the kangik giants

909
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:41,360
this was written about in the 1600s by a

910
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:43,440
gentleman called reverend robert gay who

911
00:33:47,350 --> 00:33:45,039
was from somerset

912
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:47,360
he was a bit of an anarchist but also he

913
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:48,399
was

914
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:52,000
like involved in his church and all this

915
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:53,519
kind of stuff but he wrote this book

916
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:55,440
called the fool's bolt soon shot at

917
00:33:59,190 --> 00:33:57,679
stonehenge and it was like a sarcastic

918
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:59,200
look at all the revelations that were

919
00:34:02,389 --> 00:34:00,799
coming out about stonehenge that william

920
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:02,399
stookly and john albright been writing

921
00:34:06,549 --> 00:34:04,799
about around that time

922
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:06,559
and he wrote about this tribe of giants

923
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:07,679
called the kangaroo giants and it was

924
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:09,359
part of this mythos that he picked up

925
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:11,200
from from the area they were from

926
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:13,599
somerset and some people say that they

927
00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:15,040
might have been connected it might have

928
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:17,119
been one one of them might have ended up

929
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:20,639
beneath the ground at the abbey and also

930
00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:22,000
they're very strongly connected with

931
00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:23,359
stonehenge they were actually said to

932
00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:25,119
have built stonehenge

933
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:28,000
after they defeated an incoming tribe

934
00:34:31,109 --> 00:34:29,440
coming in from the east they went

935
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:31,119
towards the east to the borders of

936
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:33,599
somerset into wiltshire and built it as

937
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:35,919
a trophy of their victory and so you've

938
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:37,359
got all these kind of strange

939
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:39,599
connections kind of merging once again

940
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:42,320
but yeah but the glastonbury giant is a

941
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:44,159
absolutely fascinating story i mean

942
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:46,000
where the bones are now we just don't

943
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:47,040
know but

944
00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:48,480
possibly they're still buried in the

945
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:50,110
abbey

946
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:51,520
[Music]

947
00:34:55,349 --> 00:34:53,760
yeah that seems to be the case

948
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:55,359
in a lot of these stories is that we

949
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:57,839
don't know where the bones are anymore

950
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:00,720
even though there's so many stories and

951
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:03,359
let's get into it the cover-up aspect

952
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:04,880
pretty much one of the most provocative

953
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:06,800
things i always want to go for is why

954
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:08,720
don't we have more information about

955
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:10,800
this what is going on with the cover-ups

956
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:13,200
in so many different areas but

957
00:35:17,589 --> 00:35:15,200
everybody knows that when it comes to

958
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:17,599
giants the smithsonian is involved to a

959
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:19,920
degree they receive these remains then

960
00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:22,320
they never seem to surface again

961
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:25,040
but to what depths does this cover-up go

962
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:27,280
are there other organizations involved

963
00:35:31,550 --> 00:35:28,800
when it comes to the giants of the

964
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:31,560
british isles what's going on with the

965
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:33,920
pre-smithsonian remains that should be

966
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:35,760
out there you actually have a great

967
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:37,839
image of the queen looking at a giant

968
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:40,800
skeleton in a display case so maybe she

969
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:43,280
knows a little something about it but

970
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:44,960
what would you say about the cover-up

971
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:47,440
and and why we just can't seem to

972
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:49,359
penetrate this stuff i mean obviously

973
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:51,599
you guys are but the smoking gun it's

974
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:53,359
got to be out there somewhere somebody's

975
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:55,119
got it what would you say about the

976
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:57,119
cover-up aspect here

977
00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:59,280
yeah i'd say that

978
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:01,280
i'll talk about what i know

979
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:04,880
which is that the smithsonian scientists

980
00:36:10,829 --> 00:36:07,920
unearthed you know close to 20 skeletons

981
00:36:14,069 --> 00:36:10,839
in the late 1800s seven foot eight foot

982
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:14,079
tall massive jaw bones

983
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:18,560
one in 1873 thomas perrin in illinois

984
00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:20,400
found and reported a

985
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:23,200
36 inch circumference skull and many

986
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:24,800
other giant skulls

987
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:26,880
although those crumbled to dust in

988
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:28,560
several of the accounts

989
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:30,720
not only the smithsonian literature but

990
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:32,880
in other academic sources in town and

991
00:36:37,510 --> 00:36:35,119
county histories crumbled to dust as

992
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:37,520
well which would account for

993
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:39,440
some loss of evidence

994
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:42,320
but the smithsonian had a rather racist

995
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:44,720
and zealous head of anthropology

996
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:47,920
dr hertlichke from about 1900 to about

997
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:51,119
1940 and he never acknowledged those

998
00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:52,240
fines

999
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:54,800
in 1933 he said you know giants are no

1000
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:57,119
more he wrote this article where he

1001
00:37:02,710 --> 00:37:00,240
basically said these fines are wishful

1002
00:37:04,630 --> 00:37:02,720
thinking and misidentification and

1003
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:04,640
hoaxes and stuff like that

1004
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:07,520
so you know it was a move away from more

1005
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:10,720
mythological ideas in science

1006
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:12,960
science and religion had a great war if

1007
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:15,520
you will in the 1800s and for good

1008
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:17,440
reason science moved away from some

1009
00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:20,480
religious ideas but i like to think both

1010
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:22,079
parties have some things right and

1011
00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:25,119
something's wrong so i don't extend a

1012
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:26,720
massive cut you know i work with

1013
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:29,359
professional anthropologists because i

1014
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:31,760
discuss these things and i i like to get

1015
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:33,599
both sides of the story

1016
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:35,200
and

1017
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:37,599
institutions i don't trust as far as you

1018
00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:40,960
can throw them a cabal of individual

1019
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:42,240
academics

1020
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:44,320
covering things up i don't really buy

1021
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:45,680
but like i said

1022
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:48,240
there's kind of a paradigm that views

1023
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:50,640
these ideas as kind of fringe or

1024
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:53,760
mythological so there's not a lot of

1025
00:37:56,710 --> 00:37:55,599
reason to delve into these subjects you

1026
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:56,720
get into

1027
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:58,720
ideas that are frowned upon in academic

1028
00:38:02,069 --> 00:38:00,079
circles

1029
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:02,079
and i just feel like

1030
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:04,640
science is slow to react but you know

1031
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:05,920
things are changing moving in the right

1032
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:08,800
direction with new finds and new science

1033
00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:10,640
i wish i had a better answer quite

1034
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:12,079
frankly because when you read through

1035
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:14,960
all the evidence it's quite astonishing

1036
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:17,680
you find bones that are on display

1037
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:19,680
credible people measurements of

1038
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:21,599
stationary objects that are absolutely

1039
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:22,880
enormous

1040
00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:24,720
and you know you and i can go to ball

1041
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:27,280
back lebanon and show you the trilothon

1042
00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:29,599
and we can show you all kinds of weird

1043
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:31,920
beings and inexplicable evidence around

1044
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:34,240
the planet evidence of cataclysm and

1045
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:36,880
other things in in places like gobekli

1046
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:39,599
tepe that are so ancient that it upends

1047
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:40,640
history

1048
00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:42,160
but i have not

1049
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:44,800
seen and dna tested the 12-foot skeleton

1050
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:47,440
as of yet and i just say it's kind of

1051
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:49,680
frustrating in that regard but we like

1052
00:38:53,109 --> 00:38:51,359
just to lay out the case and let people

1053
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:53,119
decide for themselves

1054
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:55,280
right right and i agree with what you

1055
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:58,079
said it is in the institutions and the

1056
00:39:01,990 --> 00:39:00,400
education it does enough to

1057
00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:02,000
sort out the

1058
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:03,920
serious professionals from the rogue

1059
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:06,079
scholars because you can't get your

1060
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:08,640
professional archaeology merit badge if

1061
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:10,880
you talk about this kind of stuff and

1062
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:12,720
yes it's great that that's breaking down

1063
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:14,640
a little bit but that is what has kept

1064
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:17,599
the secrets uh in in my opinion but hugh

1065
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:19,200
what were you going to say

1066
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:21,200
yeah oh no i can't yeah agree with jim

1067
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:23,200
and in britain it's actually quite

1068
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:24,800
similar i mean it's quite a similar

1069
00:39:29,589 --> 00:39:26,960
story but it goes back quite a bit

1070
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:29,599
further you know and things happening at

1071
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:31,440
different times we're really talking

1072
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:32,480
about

1073
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:35,359
the switch over from like a pagan

1074
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:37,680
culture going into a christian culture

1075
00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:40,640
so we're talking like from 500 a.d

1076
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:42,560
going all the way up to like we're

1077
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:45,599
talking the 16 1700s so you know one and

1078
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:48,160
a half thousand years of kind of people

1079
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:49,839
holding on to these old traditions

1080
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:51,040
because

1081
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:52,800
these kind of stories of the giants you

1082
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:54,400
know we've got jack the giant killer

1083
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:56,160
which we know has been proven

1084
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:58,320
scientifically through you know quite

1085
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:00,960
serious scholarly research to be 5 000

1086
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:03,760
years old at least so that suggests many

1087
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:05,760
of these other giant myths and stories

1088
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:09,280
and creation myths are this kind of age

1089
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:11,440
and so i'm not just talking about pagan

1090
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:13,200
times we're talking about neolithic

1091
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:16,160
times times of the megaliths times of

1092
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:18,160
the kind of megalithic tombs stone

1093
00:40:22,630 --> 00:40:20,160
circles and other such things

1094
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:22,640
and there's a gradual kind of push

1095
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:25,920
by the church to remove

1096
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:28,960
anything pagan like building over pagan

1097
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:31,680
megalithic sites put churches on them so

1098
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:33,280
they're all kind of now on these ley

1099
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:35,839
lines and things like this and so when

1100
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:37,599
they were finding these skeletons and

1101
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:38,400
bones

1102
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:39,839
it was all really connected with this

1103
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:41,839
pagan story you know and so they they

1104
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:43,040
kind of would brush them under the

1105
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:44,079
carpet

1106
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:46,079
and then we know that right up until you

1107
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:50,079
know the 1800s and early 1900s there was

1108
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:53,040
a whole movement of especially pushing

1109
00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:54,480
into wales

1110
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:56,560
where many of the traditions held strong

1111
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:58,319
even their old welsh languages was the

1112
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:00,400
old british language you know many

1113
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:02,640
hundreds or thousands of years ago and

1114
00:41:05,349 --> 00:41:04,000
they were pushing in there they were

1115
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:05,359
trying to deny

1116
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:07,599
their history like because it was in

1117
00:41:12,069 --> 00:41:09,760
there they were taught in history the

1118
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:12,079
brutus did come over he did defeat gog

1119
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:14,240
and magog and the giants he did found

1120
00:41:18,550 --> 00:41:16,480
london he did have

1121
00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:18,560
gog magog as the protector of london and

1122
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:21,119
so forth this was actually history

1123
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:23,359
up until the early 1900s but this got

1124
00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:25,920
changed and pushed back and all this

1125
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:28,720
kind of new emerging science and these

1126
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:30,160
christian kind of

1127
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:32,240
new testament dogma was brought in to

1128
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:33,599
replace that

1129
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:36,720
so we lost a lot of what was part of our

1130
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:38,400
kind of culture it was part of our

1131
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:40,160
consciousness it was part of our memory

1132
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:42,960
system our oral tradition

1133
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:45,200
fortunately a lot of this was recorded

1134
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:47,280
before this happened before it all got

1135
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:49,520
lost and there's a few scholars i could

1136
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:51,599
mention like chris grooms

1137
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:53,760
john reese davis back in he was actually

1138
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:56,480
collecting stories in the 1500s in wales

1139
00:42:00,069 --> 00:41:58,400
and documenting giant skeletons at the

1140
00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:00,079
same time and he was talking about this

1141
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:03,040
problem as it was happening and so

1142
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:04,560
there's like you know like like jim said

1143
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:06,640
it's not really a big conspiracy it's

1144
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:09,280
just a series of like agendas

1145
00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:10,480
religion

1146
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:13,599
changes in thoughts about what science

1147
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:15,359
is and things like this

1148
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:17,200
which just unfortunately pushed the

1149
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:19,440
whole giant story under the carpet and

1150
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:21,440
it pushed it away and kind of put it

1151
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:24,560
into this denial part of reality and so

1152
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:26,560
we're contending with that

1153
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:28,079
so there's a lot more to it than meets

1154
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:30,319
the eye but there are so many accounts

1155
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:32,079
that we've come across that are recorded

1156
00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:34,319
very long time ago and they were so

1157
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:35,839
matter of fact the way they were

1158
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:37,599
measured and put out into the public

1159
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:39,680
domain that you know there's certainly a

1160
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:42,000
reality to this which is just absolutely

1161
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:43,440
kind of mind-blowing when you start

1162
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:45,760
looking into it

1163
00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:47,520
that's a pretty good breakdown maybe it

1164
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:50,720
is less conspiracy and more a series of

1165
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:52,960
unfortunate events but it is always hard

1166
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:54,000
to tell

1167
00:42:58,230 --> 00:42:56,160
who's motivated to do what when we're

1168
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:58,240
looking at time depths that we're

1169
00:43:03,109 --> 00:43:00,720
talking about and i would suspect that

1170
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:03,119
where the cover-up is concerned

1171
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:05,040
i would think maybe the royal society

1172
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:07,920
plays its usual part somewhere in there

1173
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:10,400
but it is a tangled web and i'm glad

1174
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:12,720
that you guys are resurrecting a lot of

1175
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:15,280
this stuff and i can't get through this

1176
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:18,000
first hour without diving deeper into

1177
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:20,560
the magic stuff we had some passing

1178
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:23,760
references to magic and geomancy but i

1179
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:26,000
mean it gets pretty deep according to

1180
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:28,400
the book not only were these giants

1181
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:30,400
oftentimes kings and queens but you say

1182
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:32,960
quote they were often master geomancers

1183
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:35,760
surveyors architects and astronomers who

1184
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:38,560
ruled from their mountaintop fortresses

1185
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:40,160
and then there's this other paragraph

1186
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:42,319
where you say

1187
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:44,720
a wealth of folklore from england wales

1188
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:46,720
scotland and ireland talk about

1189
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:48,880
sophisticated cultures of giants with

1190
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:50,880
supernatural powers and advanced

1191
00:43:56,309 --> 00:43:54,000
technology who had control over thunder

1192
00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:56,319
and lightning as witnessed when their

1193
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:58,400
tombs were disturbed by later

1194
00:44:03,109 --> 00:43:59,920
generations

1195
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:03,119
and i guess in an open-ended sense what

1196
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:06,720
more can you guys say about the range of

1197
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:08,880
magical abilities that are talked about

1198
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:11,200
or maybe we call it high science or

1199
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:12,720
hidden science

1200
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:14,800
but this is quite interesting and the

1201
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:16,880
control of weather i mean

1202
00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:19,680
that's a real provocative one

1203
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:21,680
that is yeah that's the kind of classic

1204
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:24,240
sowers of thunder mythos this is

1205
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:26,319
actually brought to our attention by a

1206
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:29,359
brilliant author called anthony roberts

1207
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:31,119
he wrote a book called sowers of thunder

1208
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:33,200
back in 1917. he was a glastonbury

1209
00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:34,400
resident

1210
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:36,079
and he was part of the whole earth

1211
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:37,680
mysteries movement but he did a lot of

1212
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:39,920
research into these giants and realized

1213
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:42,000
that there was this geomantic

1214
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:44,240
element to it you know and also he found

1215
00:44:47,829 --> 00:44:46,240
you know a handful of accounts where

1216
00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:47,839
there were stories of people when they

1217
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:50,240
disturbed the graves of giants in over

1218
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:51,599
in the last few hundred years these

1219
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:53,760
thousands of years old burials that

1220
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:56,160
giant storms and thunder and lightning

1221
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:58,160
would occur immediately and it would

1222
00:45:02,230 --> 00:45:00,480
terrify the desecrator and they was run

1223
00:45:03,829 --> 00:45:02,240
off and so we looked into that in more

1224
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:03,839
detail and we thought hang on a sec

1225
00:45:06,790 --> 00:45:04,640
because

1226
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:06,800
these not only i mean jim can talk about

1227
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:08,560
this in a moment but not only do we have

1228
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:09,440
these

1229
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:12,000
kind of high kings and queens and rulers

1230
00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:13,839
who had these magical powers like we

1231
00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:15,280
find in ireland we find with the

1232
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:17,440
children of doane in wales and so on and

1233
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:18,560
so forth

1234
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:20,720
but they actually had

1235
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:23,680
spells placed over their burials and so

1236
00:45:28,069 --> 00:45:26,079
when people in relatively modern times

1237
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:28,079
last few hundred years would dig them up

1238
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:30,160
it would literally cause a storm like

1239
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:31,760
immediately as soon as they started

1240
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:34,720
digging and sometimes earthquakes

1241
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:37,680
sometimes such delusion rain that it

1242
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:40,000
would just almost drown the people it

1243
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:42,240
would terrify them and we're not just

1244
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:43,920
talking one or two accounts we've got

1245
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:46,560
something like 40 accounts or something

1246
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:49,040
in the historical record and most of

1247
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:50,720
these are giants greys but we also even

1248
00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:52,880
have the same story at silbury hill we

1249
00:45:57,670 --> 00:45:54,800
have the same story at stanton drew

1250
00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:57,680
triple stone circles where lightning

1251
00:46:01,990 --> 00:45:59,920
formed into like a spiral into the

1252
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:02,000
center of the circle this was documented

1253
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:04,720
by a doctor you know back in i think the

1254
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:08,560
17 or late 1700s and so what is going on

1255
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:10,079
here so there's two things we looked

1256
00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:12,000
into in the book one of them was the

1257
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:13,599
fact that they were just master

1258
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:15,760
magicians and sorcerers and this was

1259
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:17,760
part of their lineage it was part of

1260
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:19,520
their magical lineage and as jim will

1261
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:21,599
talk about in a second we know that

1262
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:23,280
there because the myths and the stories

1263
00:46:28,069 --> 00:46:25,680
the creation stories of ireland wales

1264
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:28,079
and even scotland as well talk about

1265
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:30,319
these high-level kind of magicians who

1266
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:31,440
not only

1267
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:33,200
do the magic they were masters of

1268
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:35,040
technology as well and had different

1269
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:36,880
types of technology and weapons and

1270
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:38,079
things like this

1271
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:39,920
but the other angle we looked at was the

1272
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:41,680
fact that it might be a kind of earth

1273
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:43,280
energy science

1274
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:45,520
and this is something we found to be the

1275
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:47,760
case it could be the case because if you

1276
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:49,440
build something in a specific way and

1277
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:51,200
you're working with the earth energies

1278
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:53,200
in a very specific way

1279
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:55,359
and constructing with different layers

1280
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:56,960
you get like this orgone effect you get

1281
00:47:01,030 --> 00:46:59,040
all this energetic effect and you build

1282
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:01,040
it on high points in the landscape to

1283
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:03,200
attract lightning and things like this

1284
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:05,280
so they could have had this kind of

1285
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:07,920
scientific understanding of

1286
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:10,160
placing their burials in very specific

1287
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:11,359
places

1288
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:14,160
that would manipulate the environment

1289
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:15,760
around them you know they were like what

1290
00:47:20,069 --> 00:47:18,160
were called thunderstorm capacitors but

1291
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:20,079
they would build up charge and whenever

1292
00:47:23,910 --> 00:47:21,040
it was

1293
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:23,920
interfered with or changed in any way it

1294
00:47:27,190 --> 00:47:25,359
would just trigger

1295
00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:27,200
the weather to change and so you know we

1296
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:28,880
look into that in more i can't go into

1297
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:30,880
all the specifics right now but

1298
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:32,720
we were kind of blown away by this but

1299
00:47:36,549 --> 00:47:35,200
we think that these giants many of them

1300
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:36,559
at least

1301
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:38,400
this is what you know we discovered that

1302
00:47:43,349 --> 00:47:40,480
they were literally like magicians they

1303
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:43,359
were master sorcerers they had control

1304
00:47:47,109 --> 00:47:44,640
of the elements

1305
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:47,119
they were probably telekinetic they

1306
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:49,280
probably had control of people's minds

1307
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:51,200
in the case of merlin it seemed like he

1308
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:53,200
could levitate stones just by using

1309
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:55,760
magic or using his mind but when you

1310
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:58,079
find the actual historical account of

1311
00:48:02,309 --> 00:48:00,640
people having these direct experiences

1312
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:02,319
of these storms and thunder and

1313
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:04,000
lightning occurring as soon as they

1314
00:48:08,309 --> 00:48:06,079
start digging a grave you have to take

1315
00:48:10,870 --> 00:48:08,319
note that these were very powerful

1316
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:10,880
individuals who were buried there

1317
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:12,640
hmm

1318
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:14,960
damn well jim you had anything to add on

1319
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:17,200
the magic front i can't get enough magic

1320
00:48:19,829 --> 00:48:18,160
talk

1321
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:19,839
absolutely that was a pretty good

1322
00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:20,960
summation

1323
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:23,200
and when you read through the book and

1324
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:24,720
you read the different chapters of the

1325
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:26,640
geomancy of the giants and the souls of

1326
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:29,359
thunder you can see that there's a

1327
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:31,119
an intelligent science behind what we're

1328
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:34,000
talking about that the way you put in

1329
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:36,000
acupuncture needles in the human body to

1330
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:38,400
modulate the energy systems the same

1331
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:41,599
thing occurs on earth and you get into

1332
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:44,319
ideas of tolerance energy and ley lines

1333
00:48:49,349 --> 00:48:46,800
the earth being a living being

1334
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:49,359
things that are understood now by many

1335
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:51,680
and that just make logical sense as well

1336
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:52,880
you don't have to be scientific to

1337
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:54,880
understand these concepts but there's

1338
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:57,119
this geomantic science clearly that's at

1339
00:49:02,069 --> 00:48:59,440
work this isn't wishful thinking and

1340
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:02,079
like he was saying use specific stones

1341
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:04,400
you divine the right location

1342
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:05,920
and you know if you ever deal with

1343
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:07,680
somebody who has

1344
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:09,599
supernatural abilities or psychic

1345
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:11,040
abilities i deal with a lot of

1346
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:13,520
clairvoyance and spiritual masters and

1347
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:14,880
they just come from a different place

1348
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:16,960
they have a different set of abilities

1349
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:19,760
and you realize that this isn't a fairy

1350
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:21,680
tale that there is something to this

1351
00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:24,319
even ideas like levitation or high magic

1352
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:26,319
is just a form of technology that is not

1353
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:28,800
really understood these days because the

1354
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:30,400
ancient ones were

1355
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:32,079
you know the scientists were spiritual

1356
00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:34,079
masters as well they were initiated in

1357
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:36,720
mystery schools like plato and

1358
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:38,079
pythagoras

1359
00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:41,040
and once again you have a

1360
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:43,599
left brain male dominated

1361
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:46,559
academia that is oriented towards

1362
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:49,200
abusive rationalistic thinking

1363
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:52,559
exclusion of more metaphysical ideas and

1364
00:49:58,150 --> 00:49:55,599
sources and i just think we are left

1365
00:50:00,069 --> 00:49:58,160
interpreting shadows on on a cave wall

1366
00:50:02,150 --> 00:50:00,079
rather than understanding the heart of

1367
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:02,160
the matter you know

1368
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:05,200
so to turn back to these ideas i i think

1369
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:07,280
it is clear that these races of beings

1370
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:08,400
showed up

1371
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:10,559
and if you look at all the traditions

1372
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:13,119
the twatha twathadejanin these huge and

1373
00:50:16,710 --> 00:50:15,040
magical beings who show up they're

1374
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:16,720
associated with the building of

1375
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:18,160
newgrange

1376
00:50:22,390 --> 00:50:20,400
they show up in northern ireland

1377
00:50:23,750 --> 00:50:22,400
they are you know masters of the

1378
00:50:25,750 --> 00:50:23,760
elements

1379
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:25,760
and you have the same stories in native

1380
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:27,440
american tribes

1381
00:50:32,549 --> 00:50:30,319
you have the us army outlawed the sioux

1382
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:32,559
ghost dance for instance and there's a

1383
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:34,400
book called weather shamanism that talks

1384
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:36,800
about native american shaman's ability

1385
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:38,800
to control the weather and how it

1386
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:41,680
terrified the us army and they outlawed

1387
00:50:47,829 --> 00:50:45,040
these ideas so our culture is like

1388
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:47,839
burnt out and bankrupt and has very

1389
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:50,640
little connection to the divine or the

1390
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:53,119
supernatural but the ancient indigenous

1391
00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:56,480
cultures and this lost golden age

1392
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:58,400
had this level of connection that would

1393
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:01,440
be portrayed as supernatural or

1394
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:03,760
of advanced technology to

1395
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:06,160
less of all people in the past so

1396
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:08,160
to bring it all together i think you

1397
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:10,640
know you have these ideas associated

1398
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:12,800
with the lost world and a lot of the

1399
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:15,200
mythology is from edgar cayce to the

1400
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:17,359
traditions throughout the british isles

1401
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:19,520
as there was a lost continent lost

1402
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:22,559
islands you could talk about atlantis

1403
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:24,640
and i know that subject's off-putting to

1404
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:27,040
some people but i really myself believe

1405
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:29,520
in edgar casey and plato's atlantis it

1406
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:31,040
makes a lot of sense

1407
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:33,359
as far as shared traditions of a mother

1408
00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:35,520
culture around the world we now know

1409
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:37,599
that there was a cataclysmic event that

1410
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:39,920
occurred right at the sinking of plato's

1411
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:42,720
atlantis about 12 800 years ago called

1412
00:51:49,109 --> 00:51:45,760
the younger driest impact event

1413
00:51:52,150 --> 00:51:49,119
so you know it all comes together by

1414
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:52,160
virtue of looking at the traditions

1415
00:51:57,270 --> 00:51:55,760
and what they state is eerily specific

1416
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:57,280
and ubiquitous

1417
00:52:01,750 --> 00:51:59,760
and it makes sense when you

1418
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:01,760
tie all the information together and

1419
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:02,960
once again

1420
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:05,359
not to disparage academia but

1421
00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:06,800
it's like

1422
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:08,720
when you go to the doctor

1423
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:10,559
it's good that he can set your compound

1424
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:11,760
fracture

1425
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:14,640
but he's not gonna look at alternative

1426
00:52:19,510 --> 00:52:17,040
ideas you know what i mean like

1427
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:19,520
these things take a long time to take

1428
00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:22,720
hold and it's just the ideas of magical

1429
00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:24,880
worlds and supernatural beings is

1430
00:52:28,950 --> 00:52:26,319
something that is not embraced by

1431
00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:28,960
academia so the ideas are marginalized

1432
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:31,119
and considered farcical which i

1433
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:33,359
completely disagree with

1434
00:52:39,510 --> 00:52:36,160
yeah well said it does seem to me the

1435
00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:39,520
more interviews i do that almost every

1436
00:52:44,829 --> 00:52:42,319
slice of science if you were to

1437
00:52:47,109 --> 00:52:44,839
break up the pie into

1438
00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:47,119
biology geography all the different

1439
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:50,000
aspects physics there's always some kind

1440
00:52:57,069 --> 00:52:53,280
of esoteric science that we seem to have

1441
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:57,079
lost ether orgone alchemy

1442
00:53:02,990 --> 00:52:59,760
frequency-based stuff cymatics stone

1443
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:03,000
levitation psi abilities and these weird

1444
00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:06,000
correspondences across landscapes and

1445
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:07,839
layers of reality like multiple

1446
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:10,079
dimensions and the human body as you

1447
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:11,200
pointed out

1448
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:13,520
it goes quite deep and there's a lot of

1449
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:15,680
stuff that we need to pull out of the

1450
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:18,240
past so to speak but man

1451
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:21,760
just so interesting and dr greg little

1452
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:23,680
definitely broke down edgar cayce's

1453
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:25,920
atlantis in a previous interview and i

1454
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:28,400
really really enjoyed that one it's kind

1455
00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:30,240
of weird how

1456
00:53:39,910 --> 00:53:31,359
we hear

1457
00:53:42,230 --> 00:53:39,920
forget how interesting the real details

1458
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:42,240
are of these things and to have it

1459
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:45,040
broken down at length is always a great

1460
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:46,559
pleasure of mine

1461
00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:48,800
before we really wrap this up we should

1462
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:50,960
spend a little more time on stonehenge

1463
00:53:55,349 --> 00:53:53,040
it is in the title of your book i now

1464
00:53:57,430 --> 00:53:55,359
know the original name of stonehenge

1465
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:57,440
translates to the giants dance and you

1466
00:54:03,589 --> 00:54:01,040
mention the story of how it got there

1467
00:54:06,309 --> 00:54:03,599
relates to the giants building it to

1468
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:06,319
celebrate a great battle but

1469
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:07,680
i think stonehenge is one of these

1470
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:09,680
things we hear about it so often we

1471
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:12,559
maybe forget the details of why it is so

1472
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:15,440
interesting and the math and all the

1473
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:16,720
things about it

1474
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:18,720
obviously in recent years it seems as if

1475
00:54:23,589 --> 00:54:20,960
the complex has gotten even bigger with

1476
00:54:25,990 --> 00:54:23,599
things that are buried underneath but

1477
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:26,000
before we really wrap this up let me ask

1478
00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:28,000
you about stonehenge whoever wants to

1479
00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:29,920
take it but remind people of why this is

1480
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:32,000
such a special place

1481
00:54:36,789 --> 00:54:34,319
yeah i'll just quickly say because he

1482
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:36,799
lives a half a mile from stonehenge so

1483
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:38,400
he'll talk all about it

1484
00:54:42,789 --> 00:54:40,000
i just want to say that

1485
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:42,799
one point i wanted to hit is that

1486
00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:46,079
giant effigies have been paraded around

1487
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:48,640
london in salisbury which is near

1488
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:51,119
stonehenge or on display for long

1489
00:54:54,549 --> 00:54:52,480
periods of time

1490
00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:54,559
as part of this idea of giants being

1491
00:54:59,589 --> 00:54:56,559
embedded in the consciousness of the

1492
00:55:03,270 --> 00:54:59,599
landscape now you know why is that part

1493
00:55:05,589 --> 00:55:03,280
of the traditions why are gog and magog

1494
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:05,599
you know noted to be these great rulers

1495
00:55:11,109 --> 00:55:08,720
and guardians of britain and i would say

1496
00:55:13,349 --> 00:55:11,119
that it's a matter of being embedded in

1497
00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:13,359
the collective unconscious it's not just

1498
00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:15,760
like a fairy tale there's a historical

1499
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:17,440
reality that is being remembered through

1500
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:18,880
these traditions

1501
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:21,040
and i'll kick it to hugh and that's

1502
00:55:24,789 --> 00:55:23,200
exactly what's going on at stonehenge

1503
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:24,799
and all the traditions surrounding it

1504
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:28,000
it's like some trickster is giving clues

1505
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:30,160
to figure out the reality of the

1506
00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:32,480
situation like it was once called the

1507
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:35,359
giants dance the original name the

1508
00:55:38,549 --> 00:55:36,640
original

1509
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:38,559
pitcher is a tapestry from the 12th

1510
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:41,520
century with king ambrosius merlin and a

1511
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:43,920
giant building stonehenge those are the

1512
00:55:46,870 --> 00:55:46,000
clues that we pieced together in the

1513
00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:46,880
book

1514
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:49,359
stonehenge yeah i do live quite close to

1515
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:50,640
it actually yeah

1516
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:51,839
obviously it's one of the most

1517
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:53,760
impressive ancient sites on the planet

1518
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:56,400
it's a unique stone circle

1519
00:55:59,589 --> 00:55:57,920
there's nothing like it in britain we've

1520
00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:59,599
got a thousand stone circles in brit

1521
00:56:03,190 --> 00:56:00,880
i've written an entire book about stone

1522
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:03,200
circles but this one has lint tools so

1523
00:56:07,349 --> 00:56:05,280
you've got these sort of stones on top

1524
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:07,359
you've got carved stones you've got what

1525
00:56:10,789 --> 00:56:09,280
looks like scoop marks in the stones as

1526
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:10,799
well which is really bizarre it's like

1527
00:56:13,990 --> 00:56:12,640
they've softened the stone this is

1528
00:56:15,670 --> 00:56:14,000
actually a tradition of the kangig

1529
00:56:17,349 --> 00:56:15,680
giants which we go into in the book that

1530
00:56:19,349 --> 00:56:17,359
they were able to do this much like the

1531
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:19,359
cyclops in greece were able to do that

1532
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:20,400
as well

1533
00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:22,960
but we have actual accounts

1534
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:25,760
of the giants not just the 24 foot giant

1535
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:27,440
effigy jim was talking about that they

1536
00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:30,640
parade round salisbury since the 1400s i

1537
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:34,960
might add but also in 1719

1538
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:37,599
just south of stonehenge near salisbury

1539
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:40,319
in a mound called the giant's grave they

1540
00:56:44,230 --> 00:56:42,559
found a nine foot four skeleton and this

1541
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:44,240
was reported in two different accounts

1542
00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:46,319
we've managed to uncover if we go back

1543
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:49,760
even further to 1508 we have sir thomas

1544
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:53,119
elliot who was a renowned scholar writer

1545
00:56:57,430 --> 00:56:55,200
he was knighted he was an mp for

1546
00:56:58,470 --> 00:56:57,440
cambridge he wrote the dictionary of all

1547
00:57:00,069 --> 00:56:58,480
books

1548
00:57:01,589 --> 00:57:00,079
as well as also a gentleman called john

1549
00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:01,599
lee learned who wrote you know

1550
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:04,480
britannica books we have other scholars

1551
00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:06,000
and researchers at the time who

1552
00:57:10,390 --> 00:57:07,280
witnessed

1553
00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:10,400
not a 9 foot 4 skeleton but a 14 foot 10

1554
00:57:15,190 --> 00:57:13,280
inch skeleton at a place called ivy

1555
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:15,200
church priory which again is just south

1556
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:17,920
of stonehenge near salisbury and so this

1557
00:57:21,990 --> 00:57:20,480
was reported on that they found in the

1558
00:57:23,910 --> 00:57:22,000
coffin in the kind of it was like a

1559
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:23,920
large kind of oak

1560
00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:25,680
kind of coffin a huge great thing

1561
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:26,480
obviously

1562
00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:28,640
and it had this strange book with this

1563
00:57:32,549 --> 00:57:30,240
inscription on it which no one could

1564
00:57:34,950 --> 00:57:32,559
read which crumbled to dust when it was

1565
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:34,960
uncovered but they also found this giant

1566
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:38,880
metal tin and lead kind of table top lid

1567
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:40,960
thing with the same kind of inscriptions

1568
00:57:43,750 --> 00:57:42,400
all over it and people have always

1569
00:57:45,030 --> 00:57:43,760
wondered where the hell that well that's

1570
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:45,040
never been found no one knows what

1571
00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:46,960
happened but it was described in detail

1572
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:49,040
by thomas elliot and john leland at the

1573
00:57:53,829 --> 00:57:52,160
time respected scholars in the 1500s and

1574
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:53,839
so that is really intriguing that in

1575
00:58:00,470 --> 00:57:56,799
1508 we have this discovery but even

1576
00:58:02,069 --> 00:58:00,480
before that in the 1470s

1577
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:02,079
as jim said a giant started to be

1578
00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:04,000
paraded around

1579
00:58:08,230 --> 00:58:06,160
salisbury and he was like this pagan

1580
00:58:09,910 --> 00:58:08,240
giant it was always around the time of

1581
00:58:11,829 --> 00:58:09,920
the summer solstice and john the baptist

1582
00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:11,839
day which is a few days after

1583
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:14,079
and so it was clearly a reference to the

1584
00:58:17,829 --> 00:58:16,000
giants and stonehenge especially as the

1585
00:58:19,829 --> 00:58:17,839
name the original name is the giants

1586
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:19,839
dance and we always wondered well you

1587
00:58:23,349 --> 00:58:21,599
know what's going on with this

1588
00:58:26,390 --> 00:58:23,359
and they changed the name of the giant

1589
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:26,400
they paraded around to saint christopher

1590
00:58:29,670 --> 00:58:27,760
now we always question why would they

1591
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:29,680
change it was just a christian kind of

1592
00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:31,839
shift but actually saint christopher

1593
00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:32,960
himself

1594
00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:35,359
was a canaanite giant who came from the

1595
00:58:39,910 --> 00:58:38,240
bible lands who carried jesus famously

1596
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:39,920
on his shoulder across a river when

1597
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:42,319
jesus was a baby and he wanted to like

1598
00:58:46,470 --> 00:58:44,480
serve the greatest king rather than be a

1599
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:46,480
commander in a canaanite army and he was

1600
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:49,680
said to be between 12 or 18 feet tall so

1601
00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:52,240
what is a giant from the bible lands a

1602
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:54,400
canaanite warrior

1603
00:58:58,390 --> 00:58:56,400
have this connection with this giant

1604
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:58,400
paraded around the nearest town to

1605
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:00,720
stonehenge then you've got the kangik

1606
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:03,599
giants and the can is like canaanite

1607
00:59:08,549 --> 00:59:05,839
kangik it's the same principle

1608
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:08,559
robert gay in his book from 1666 claimed

1609
00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:10,160
that there was a direct connection

1610
00:59:13,910 --> 00:59:11,920
between these names and they followed

1611
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:13,920
the same principles of the canaanites

1612
00:59:19,030 --> 00:59:15,839
and that the kanjik giants themselves

1613
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:19,040
were connected with the bible lands and

1614
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:21,440
so we have all these odd connections and

1615
00:59:26,069 --> 00:59:23,520
then you start i can go on and on here

1616
00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:26,079
but i'll just quickly summarize this but

1617
00:59:30,549 --> 00:59:27,440
you start looking at the measurement

1618
00:59:32,549 --> 00:59:30,559
systems the type of geometry

1619
00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:32,559
the placement in the landscape compared

1620
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:35,680
to other sites a stonehenge is like it's

1621
00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:37,440
like an international site it's got

1622
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:39,760
measurements from egypt it's got

1623
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:41,839
measurements from sumeria it's got

1624
00:59:45,349 --> 00:59:43,839
british measurements it's got other

1625
00:59:46,549 --> 00:59:45,359
measurements from different parts of the

1626
00:59:48,549 --> 00:59:46,559
ancient world

1627
00:59:50,470 --> 00:59:48,559
it's got specific geometries and

1628
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:50,480
orientations which we find in other

1629
00:59:54,549 --> 00:59:52,000
countries as well

1630
00:59:56,470 --> 00:59:54,559
and so you have to kind of question

1631
00:59:58,470 --> 00:59:56,480
what is going on here is there something

1632
01:00:01,510 --> 00:59:58,480
that's been completely eradicated from

1633
01:00:04,470 --> 01:00:01,520
my history books but was only kept and

1634
01:00:06,630 --> 01:00:04,480
held within these secret societies who

1635
01:00:08,789 --> 01:00:06,640
created this parade of this giant around

1636
01:00:10,870 --> 01:00:08,799
it was their way of remembering and

1637
01:00:13,670 --> 01:00:10,880
maintaining this tradition because it

1638
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:13,680
was a secret society that this guild of

1639
01:00:19,510 --> 01:00:16,799
tailors who created this giant kind of

1640
01:00:21,430 --> 01:00:19,520
pageant in salisbury so i mean i'm

1641
01:00:23,270 --> 01:00:21,440
trying to summarize maybe too much in

1642
01:00:24,950 --> 01:00:23,280
too short amount of time but there are

1643
01:00:26,789 --> 01:00:24,960
strong connections not just with

1644
01:00:28,390 --> 01:00:26,799
stonehenge we find similar things in

1645
01:00:30,309 --> 01:00:28,400
different parts of the country

1646
01:00:32,630 --> 01:00:30,319
hundreds of years thousands of years of

1647
01:00:34,870 --> 01:00:32,640
these pageants of parading giants around

1648
01:00:37,670 --> 01:00:34,880
we even have it in london with gog magog

1649
01:00:40,230 --> 01:00:37,680
gog and magog are paraded around and the

1650
01:00:41,750 --> 01:00:40,240
lord may have show every year even today

1651
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:41,760
that's been going on for hundreds of

1652
01:00:44,230 --> 01:00:42,400
years

1653
01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:44,240
so there's just this

1654
01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:46,240
thing that's like almost trapped in our

1655
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:49,200
consciousness about this founding story

1656
01:00:55,430 --> 01:00:51,119
these creation myths

1657
01:00:59,349 --> 01:00:57,510
yeah a really great summary it's so true

1658
01:01:01,750 --> 01:00:59,359
there's a lot of cultures that still

1659
01:01:03,510 --> 01:01:01,760
parade around some big puppet of a giant

1660
01:01:05,670 --> 01:01:03,520
it's like what's that about but i

1661
01:01:08,549 --> 01:01:05,680
definitely have never heard about jesus

1662
01:01:09,589 --> 01:01:08,559
riding on the shoulders of a giant i've

1663
01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:09,599
heard

1664
01:01:13,910 --> 01:01:11,760
enough biblical stuff for probably five

1665
01:01:15,190 --> 01:01:13,920
lifetimes that's never come up so i like

1666
01:01:17,349 --> 01:01:15,200
it and

1667
01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:17,359
i was in london once and i wanted to see

1668
01:01:21,670 --> 01:01:19,920
stonehenge but my buddy gordon suggested

1669
01:01:23,430 --> 01:01:21,680
that we go to avebury instead because

1670
01:01:24,789 --> 01:01:23,440
there's less tourists maybe it was even

1671
01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:24,799
closer

1672
01:01:29,109 --> 01:01:26,880
it was quite impressive i was a bit

1673
01:01:31,829 --> 01:01:29,119
distracted by trying not to track sheep

1674
01:01:33,829 --> 01:01:31,839
[\h__\h] back into his car but a very

1675
01:01:36,549 --> 01:01:33,839
impressive place and they're really all

1676
01:01:38,549 --> 01:01:36,559
over the british isles and man just

1677
01:01:41,190 --> 01:01:38,559
before i let you go something i like to

1678
01:01:45,109 --> 01:01:41,200
ask guests who are explorers and focus

1679
01:01:48,549 --> 01:01:45,119
on a wide range of ancient mysteries is

1680
01:01:51,750 --> 01:01:48,559
if time money and access weren't an

1681
01:01:54,470 --> 01:01:51,760
issue where would you guys explore to

1682
01:01:56,789 --> 01:01:54,480
try to uncover the biggest lost mystery

1683
01:01:59,190 --> 01:01:56,799
giants or otherwise biggest bang for the

1684
01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:59,200
buck uh whoever wants to go first feel

1685
01:02:02,710 --> 01:02:00,240
free

1686
01:02:04,549 --> 01:02:02,720
i'll jump in first here jim well if this

1687
01:02:07,029 --> 01:02:04,559
money is no object then

1688
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:07,039
there's a couple of places one of them

1689
01:02:11,910 --> 01:02:08,880
is nam madol

1690
01:02:14,789 --> 01:02:11,920
in micronesia i'd love to get out there

1691
01:02:16,630 --> 01:02:14,799
because we have the amazing megalithic

1692
01:02:18,950 --> 01:02:16,640
temple of madonna made with these bass

1693
01:02:22,230 --> 01:02:18,960
out columns but also there's really

1694
01:02:24,549 --> 01:02:22,240
interesting giant discoveries and myths

1695
01:02:26,230 --> 01:02:24,559
of these like flying shaman giants you

1696
01:02:28,150 --> 01:02:26,240
could levitate stones and things like

1697
01:02:29,829 --> 01:02:28,160
this plus it's beautiful weather and you

1698
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:29,839
know it's like stunning scenery and

1699
01:02:34,710 --> 01:02:32,160
things like that and also

1700
01:02:37,990 --> 01:02:34,720
on you know the opposite side of like

1701
01:02:40,950 --> 01:02:38,000
the weather spectrum is antarctica and

1702
01:02:43,029 --> 01:02:40,960
patagonia now that area down there is

1703
01:02:44,549 --> 01:02:43,039
absolutely fascinating because i right

1704
01:02:46,950 --> 01:02:44,559
up until recently i've been like i said

1705
01:02:48,470 --> 01:02:46,960
earlier frederick cook in 1901

1706
01:02:51,670 --> 01:02:48,480
we have

1707
01:02:52,710 --> 01:02:51,680
this absolutely mind-blowing accounts of

1708
01:02:54,789 --> 01:02:52,720
direct

1709
01:02:56,470 --> 01:02:54,799
connections meetings with these giants

1710
01:02:58,870 --> 01:02:56,480
but also there's all these sacred sites

1711
01:03:01,109 --> 01:02:58,880
that no one really knows about even on

1712
01:03:02,710 --> 01:03:01,119
antarctica as well and like you know

1713
01:03:04,789 --> 01:03:02,720
there's something to be found down there

1714
01:03:07,109 --> 01:03:04,799
it's not being looked at it's been kind

1715
01:03:09,990 --> 01:03:07,119
of pretty much suppressed in my opinion

1716
01:03:13,190 --> 01:03:10,000
so i'd love to get a trip down there

1717
01:03:16,230 --> 01:03:13,200
yeah that's an easy one for me uh

1718
01:03:17,349 --> 01:03:16,240
excavate under the front of the sphinx

1719
01:03:19,589 --> 01:03:17,359
because

1720
01:03:20,549 --> 01:03:19,599
in order to prove the case

1721
01:03:21,990 --> 01:03:20,559
you need

1722
01:03:24,549 --> 01:03:22,000
evidence

1723
01:03:26,230 --> 01:03:24,559
that can be carbon dated contemporaneous

1724
01:03:27,910 --> 01:03:26,240
artifacts

1725
01:03:29,430 --> 01:03:27,920
records

1726
01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:29,440
you know right now the

1727
01:03:34,950 --> 01:03:31,200
official date of the building of the

1728
01:03:37,589 --> 01:03:34,960
giza complex about 2650 bc

1729
01:03:39,829 --> 01:03:37,599
casey specifically states that

1730
01:03:42,150 --> 01:03:39,839
between 490 and 10

1731
01:03:44,549 --> 01:03:42,160
390 bc

1732
01:03:47,190 --> 01:03:44,559
was the actual construction date over

1733
01:03:49,190 --> 01:03:47,200
100 year period of the great pyramid and

1734
01:03:51,510 --> 01:03:49,200
rata and hermes

1735
01:03:54,069 --> 01:03:51,520
both are the architects and builders of

1736
01:03:56,309 --> 01:03:54,079
it and in order to prove that case and

1737
01:03:58,549 --> 01:03:56,319
it's just not the casey material

1738
01:03:59,589 --> 01:03:58,559
i believe that the assyrian

1739
01:04:02,549 --> 01:03:59,599
and the

1740
01:04:04,069 --> 01:04:02,559
sphinx temple are much older because i i

1741
01:04:05,270 --> 01:04:04,079
have engineering experience i'm a

1742
01:04:08,150 --> 01:04:05,280
stonemason

1743
01:04:10,390 --> 01:04:08,160
there are two different construction

1744
01:04:12,870 --> 01:04:10,400
techniques at work in egypt just like

1745
01:04:15,510 --> 01:04:12,880
you find in the inca world

1746
01:04:17,670 --> 01:04:15,520
and in pumapunku in cusco and other

1747
01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:17,680
places so i would say in order to prove

1748
01:04:19,910 --> 01:04:18,720
the case

1749
01:04:23,270 --> 01:04:19,920
you have to

1750
01:04:24,710 --> 01:04:23,280
excavate and find if there is a lost

1751
01:04:26,549 --> 01:04:24,720
hall of records

1752
01:04:27,510 --> 01:04:26,559
under the sphinx in the giza plateau

1753
01:04:29,670 --> 01:04:27,520
also

1754
01:04:31,750 --> 01:04:29,680
about three quarters up in the great

1755
01:04:34,630 --> 01:04:31,760
pyramid japanese scientists with muon

1756
01:04:36,549 --> 01:04:34,640
technology have found a void that's like

1757
01:04:39,510 --> 01:04:36,559
30 meters wide

1758
01:04:41,430 --> 01:04:39,520
and that i would like to

1759
01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:41,440
investigate as well or see scientists

1760
01:04:44,710 --> 01:04:42,720
investigate

1761
01:04:46,390 --> 01:04:44,720
and we'll see how it goes i really you

1762
01:04:47,829 --> 01:04:46,400
know i'd love to do a show

1763
01:04:50,549 --> 01:04:47,839
search for the last hall of records i

1764
01:04:53,029 --> 01:04:50,559
think people would love that idea

1765
01:04:55,029 --> 01:04:53,039
any time they did specials in egypt was

1766
01:04:57,910 --> 01:04:55,039
awas or whatever you know they get huge

1767
01:05:00,390 --> 01:04:57,920
ratings and i understand the reluctance

1768
01:05:03,109 --> 01:05:00,400
of egyptologists especially egyptians

1769
01:05:05,349 --> 01:05:03,119
themselves because they view these ideas

1770
01:05:07,270 --> 01:05:05,359
you know through a nationalistic lens

1771
01:05:10,069 --> 01:05:07,280
where the interlopers are trying to

1772
01:05:12,470 --> 01:05:10,079
steal our history and all that but to me

1773
01:05:15,029 --> 01:05:12,480
this isn't a racist argument

1774
01:05:17,029 --> 01:05:15,039
basically as we told you the gods and

1775
01:05:19,510 --> 01:05:17,039
the giants and the shining ones are

1776
01:05:21,589 --> 01:05:19,520
associated with tuatha data and with new

1777
01:05:23,750 --> 01:05:21,599
grange and other sites

1778
01:05:26,630 --> 01:05:23,760
just like they're attached to

1779
01:05:29,029 --> 01:05:26,640
pumapunku or teotihuacan or these other

1780
01:05:30,390 --> 01:05:29,039
sites around the world so it's not like

1781
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:30,400
an ancient

1782
01:05:34,230 --> 01:05:32,400
or it's not a racist argument it says

1783
01:05:36,630 --> 01:05:34,240
who are the gods that showed up in

1784
01:05:38,549 --> 01:05:36,640
antiquity so long story short i think

1785
01:05:41,349 --> 01:05:38,559
that's where the rubber meets the road

1786
01:05:43,430 --> 01:05:41,359
is to find evidence of further antiquity

1787
01:05:47,270 --> 01:05:43,440
on the giza plateau

1788
01:05:49,670 --> 01:05:47,280
yes both really great answers nan madol

1789
01:05:51,910 --> 01:05:49,680
is quite intriguing with the curse and

1790
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:51,920
everything and jim i figured you were

1791
01:05:54,950 --> 01:05:54,160
gonna say the paw of the sphinx and i

1792
01:05:56,470 --> 01:05:54,960
guess

1793
01:05:58,150 --> 01:05:56,480
i would think that it's probably been

1794
01:05:59,990 --> 01:05:58,160
explored in secret but we're never gonna

1795
01:06:02,230 --> 01:06:00,000
know about it it's such a specific

1796
01:06:05,029 --> 01:06:02,240
location how could they not have gotten

1797
01:06:08,230 --> 01:06:05,039
in there but regardless it's definitely

1798
01:06:10,710 --> 01:06:08,240
an intriguing mystery and

1799
01:06:13,109 --> 01:06:10,720
man this has just been so much fun

1800
01:06:15,109 --> 01:06:13,119
talk to the people about the other

1801
01:06:17,109 --> 01:06:15,119
things you have going on in terms of

1802
01:06:19,349 --> 01:06:17,119
following up on your work the shows

1803
01:06:21,510 --> 01:06:19,359
you're involved with upcoming projects

1804
01:06:23,430 --> 01:06:21,520
links because i'm sure people are going

1805
01:06:25,589 --> 01:06:23,440
to want to follow up in some regard and

1806
01:06:27,430 --> 01:06:25,599
your work ethic certainly puts mine to

1807
01:06:28,870 --> 01:06:27,440
shame but what are you going to do uh

1808
01:06:30,549 --> 01:06:28,880
tell people about that follow-up

1809
01:06:32,549 --> 01:06:30,559
material

1810
01:06:34,150 --> 01:06:32,559
sure in the pipeline

1811
01:06:36,630 --> 01:06:34,160
me and jim are going to be eventually be

1812
01:06:38,150 --> 01:06:36,640
doing a worldwide book we've got so much

1813
01:06:40,630 --> 01:06:38,160
cracking data

1814
01:06:42,630 --> 01:06:40,640
it's quite remarkable and

1815
01:06:45,270 --> 01:06:42,640
personally i've got my big conference in

1816
01:06:47,430 --> 01:06:45,280
glastonbury on the 7th and 8th of may

1817
01:06:49,670 --> 01:06:47,440
we run megalithomania my company we run

1818
01:06:51,510 --> 01:06:49,680
a bunch of tours we're going out to like

1819
01:06:53,029 --> 01:06:51,520
we do a tour around stonehenge in

1820
01:06:55,990 --> 01:06:53,039
england in july

1821
01:06:58,309 --> 01:06:56,000
orkney august we've done a big beckley

1822
01:07:00,470 --> 01:06:58,319
tepee tour and a few other bits and bobs

1823
01:07:03,029 --> 01:07:00,480
and yeah we kind of it's one of the

1824
01:07:05,670 --> 01:07:03,039
other areas i'm researching now is with

1825
01:07:08,069 --> 01:07:05,680
my partner jj ainsworth as well is

1826
01:07:10,470 --> 01:07:08,079
quebec lee tepe and carahan tepe which

1827
01:07:12,069 --> 01:07:10,480
is a whole other story which i've just

1828
01:07:14,069 --> 01:07:12,079
published a video tonight about that

1829
01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:14,079
actually up on the megalithomania uk

1830
01:07:18,630 --> 01:07:16,079
youtube channel because the stuff that's

1831
01:07:21,190 --> 01:07:18,640
coming out of there is insane it's

1832
01:07:23,109 --> 01:07:21,200
remarkable and i think that's going to

1833
01:07:25,430 --> 01:07:23,119
open up this whole other world because

1834
01:07:28,390 --> 01:07:25,440
these dating of what's being found out

1835
01:07:31,910 --> 01:07:28,400
in that part of the world is matching

1836
01:07:33,750 --> 01:07:31,920
this whole atlantean time it's like 9600

1837
01:07:36,150 --> 01:07:33,760
bc this is exactly the same kind of

1838
01:07:37,990 --> 01:07:36,160
dates we have for the kind of

1839
01:07:39,990 --> 01:07:38,000
if the casey's idea of what atlantis was

1840
01:07:42,549 --> 01:07:40,000
but this is the dates of quebec lee tepe

1841
01:07:44,710 --> 01:07:42,559
and carahan tepe so yeah so there's i

1842
01:07:47,190 --> 01:07:44,720
mean myself and jim we're involved in a

1843
01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:47,200
few tv shows we're both involved in

1844
01:07:50,230 --> 01:07:48,880
ancient aliens i've got i think there's

1845
01:07:52,390 --> 01:07:50,240
a few more episodes of this season

1846
01:07:53,990 --> 01:07:52,400
coming out the unexplained

1847
01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:54,000
with william shatner that's great fun

1848
01:07:59,349 --> 01:07:56,720
doing that i also work with gaia tv on

1849
01:08:00,950 --> 01:07:59,359
ancient civilizations and yeah there's a

1850
01:08:03,109 --> 01:08:00,960
whole people can just you know check out

1851
01:08:05,029 --> 01:08:03,119
the megalithomania dot co dot uk website

1852
01:08:07,829 --> 01:08:05,039
everything's up on there that's the best

1853
01:08:11,349 --> 01:08:07,839
clearing house for a who has a section

1854
01:08:13,430 --> 01:08:11,359
of all my videos and different talks

1855
01:08:15,270 --> 01:08:13,440
i'm setting up a website i have the tech

1856
01:08:16,070 --> 01:08:15,280
skills of an amish preacher i like to

1857
01:08:18,070 --> 01:08:16,080
say

1858
01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:18,080
but i'm setting up a website so i can

1859
01:08:22,950 --> 01:08:20,640
put my videos and as you know greg from

1860
01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:22,960
watching my stuff i'm into metaphysical

1861
01:08:26,470 --> 01:08:24,400
ideas and

1862
01:08:28,070 --> 01:08:26,480
i think that's what's most interesting

1863
01:08:30,470 --> 01:08:28,080
it's kind of like there's such a

1864
01:08:33,030 --> 01:08:30,480
burgeoning population on earth of

1865
01:08:35,590 --> 01:08:33,040
spiritual but not religious people now

1866
01:08:38,630 --> 01:08:35,600
that don't subscribe to any dogmatic

1867
01:08:40,229 --> 01:08:38,640
ideas and it's kind of like the in my

1868
01:08:42,470 --> 01:08:40,239
effort i study with the spiritual

1869
01:08:44,309 --> 01:08:42,480
teacher for like 25 years and transcribe

1870
01:08:45,990 --> 01:08:44,319
all the sessions with my brother and

1871
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:46,000
hughes met him as well

1872
01:08:48,870 --> 01:08:46,799
and

1873
01:08:50,950 --> 01:08:48,880
it's more like how do you

1874
01:08:53,269 --> 01:08:50,960
reach something larger

1875
01:08:55,590 --> 01:08:53,279
through meditation or

1876
01:08:57,189 --> 01:08:55,600
undoing of misperceptions

1877
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:57,199
i just like to share ideas from

1878
01:09:01,189 --> 01:08:58,799
spiritual masters that help people in

1879
01:09:03,269 --> 01:09:01,199
their day-to-day lives to help them find

1880
01:09:05,030 --> 01:09:03,279
peace and to deal with mental illness

1881
01:09:07,110 --> 01:09:05,040
and things like that so i'm pro

1882
01:09:09,349 --> 01:09:07,120
psilocybin i'm pro

1883
01:09:11,110 --> 01:09:09,359
alternative protocols for mental health

1884
01:09:13,110 --> 01:09:11,120
disorders and things like that and you

1885
01:09:15,189 --> 01:09:13,120
know if you watch my videos i i share a

1886
01:09:17,430 --> 01:09:15,199
lot of that kind of information and

1887
01:09:19,189 --> 01:09:17,440
so as far as what i'm doing and like

1888
01:09:21,349 --> 01:09:19,199
hugh said you know we'll be on william

1889
01:09:22,709 --> 01:09:21,359
shatner's show and we show up on ancient

1890
01:09:25,510 --> 01:09:22,719
aliens and

1891
01:09:27,590 --> 01:09:25,520
and i hope to do a show excavating in

1892
01:09:29,669 --> 01:09:27,600
front of the sphinx at some point we'll

1893
01:09:32,630 --> 01:09:29,679
see if history channel bites on that but

1894
01:09:33,749 --> 01:09:32,640
uh that's kind of my story right now

1895
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:33,759
right on

1896
01:09:39,030 --> 01:09:36,719
what a life jax of many trades and you

1897
01:09:41,349 --> 01:09:39,040
guys seriously crushed it i can't wait

1898
01:09:43,910 --> 01:09:41,359
to put this one out big thanks to the

1899
01:09:46,149 --> 01:09:43,920
good doctor the greg superior as i like

1900
01:09:47,829 --> 01:09:46,159
to say for linking us up i really

1901
01:09:49,749 --> 01:09:47,839
enjoyed the book it belongs in the

1902
01:09:52,950 --> 01:09:49,759
library of anyone that wants to have a

1903
01:09:55,189 --> 01:09:52,960
high level giant section and

1904
01:09:57,110 --> 01:09:55,199
you each have enough work on your own to

1905
01:09:58,630 --> 01:09:57,120
fill up several solid interviews so i

1906
01:10:00,390 --> 01:09:58,640
hope we stay in touch but it's been a

1907
01:10:01,270 --> 01:10:00,400
pleasure keep up the great work and take

1908
01:10:03,750 --> 01:10:01,280
care

1909
01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:03,760
thanks greg you too great interview yeah

1910
01:10:08,390 --> 01:10:05,280
thanks a lot appreciate it it's really

1911
01:10:13,590 --> 01:10:10,870
and boom goes the dynamite double your

1912
01:10:16,630 --> 01:10:13,600
pleasure double your fun hugh and jim

1913
01:10:19,110 --> 01:10:16,640
jim and you really bringing it today

1914
01:10:22,950 --> 01:10:19,120
i loved it i loved the content i love

1915
01:10:26,070 --> 01:10:22,960
the audio quality we got a winner here

1916
01:10:28,310 --> 01:10:26,080
i appreciate dr little recommending thc

1917
01:10:30,550 --> 01:10:28,320
to his colleagues this is how we get the

1918
01:10:33,510 --> 01:10:30,560
best interviews sometimes

1919
01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:33,520
quality endorsements are important and i

1920
01:10:38,470 --> 01:10:36,320
appreciate that very much from him

1921
01:10:40,709 --> 01:10:38,480
the show is only as good as the guests i

1922
01:10:42,790 --> 01:10:40,719
can get and only grows as big as the

1923
01:10:43,750 --> 01:10:42,800
reach of those who recommend it by the

1924
01:10:46,390 --> 01:10:43,760
way

1925
01:10:48,550 --> 01:10:46,400
but we got giants we got geomancy and we

1926
01:10:49,830 --> 01:10:48,560
got a lot of interesting tangents along

1927
01:10:52,149 --> 01:10:49,840
the way

1928
01:10:55,110 --> 01:10:52,159
who knows where the line between ancient

1929
01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:55,120
akashic memory and myth should be drawn

1930
01:10:58,470 --> 01:10:56,400
if anywhere

1931
01:11:01,590 --> 01:10:58,480
but the evidence is in there are too

1932
01:11:03,510 --> 01:11:01,600
many giant stories to write off

1933
01:11:05,350 --> 01:11:03,520
i think anyone who's familiar with all

1934
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:05,360
the shows in the archive would already

1935
01:11:09,350 --> 01:11:07,440
say that about america but now we got

1936
01:11:12,390 --> 01:11:09,360
them on the other side of the pond and

1937
01:11:14,950 --> 01:11:12,400
it just goes to strengthen the case and

1938
01:11:17,750 --> 01:11:14,960
probably my favorite part was weather

1939
01:11:19,430 --> 01:11:17,760
effects tied to these stone circles and

1940
01:11:22,870 --> 01:11:19,440
tombs

1941
01:11:25,030 --> 01:11:22,880
also the idea that ufos and paranormal

1942
01:11:27,270 --> 01:11:25,040
encounters and orbs are all direct

1943
01:11:29,350 --> 01:11:27,280
results of these old shamanic portal

1944
01:11:32,070 --> 01:11:29,360
places that's something that's gaining

1945
01:11:33,910 --> 01:11:32,080
more and more steam and i'm into it

1946
01:11:35,590 --> 01:11:33,920
i just finished gordon's new book

1947
01:11:37,750 --> 01:11:35,600
animistic which will be the next thing

1948
01:11:39,189 --> 01:11:37,760
we talk about here and it hits on that

1949
01:11:41,350 --> 01:11:39,199
theme too

1950
01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:41,360
dr greg little himself has a new book

1951
01:11:44,310 --> 01:11:42,960
coming out this summer hopefully one

1952
01:11:46,229 --> 01:11:44,320
we're going to talk about that looks

1953
01:11:47,669 --> 01:11:46,239
like it's also going to be adding to

1954
01:11:50,470 --> 01:11:47,679
that stack

1955
01:11:51,590 --> 01:11:50,480
but i like these megalomaniacs quite a

1956
01:11:53,430 --> 01:11:51,600
bit

1957
01:11:55,990 --> 01:11:53,440
i'm glad they had a lot of fun

1958
01:11:57,510 --> 01:11:56,000
underground and cave stories in the book

1959
01:11:59,110 --> 01:11:57,520
that we could pull out

1960
01:12:01,189 --> 01:11:59,120
and i hope we're able to make it happen

1961
01:12:03,430 --> 01:12:01,199
again down the line they both have a lot

1962
01:12:05,350 --> 01:12:03,440
of overlapping interest with the things

1963
01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:05,360
that we like around here

1964
01:12:09,189 --> 01:12:07,600
i think i have one from my notes that we

1965
01:12:10,630 --> 01:12:09,199
didn't mention

1966
01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:10,640
although i think

1967
01:12:14,630 --> 01:12:12,800
they did mention the term scrapbook but

1968
01:12:16,630 --> 01:12:14,640
we didn't get into it unless there are

1969
01:12:21,110 --> 01:12:16,640
others i think this is a reference to

1970
01:12:23,910 --> 01:12:21,120
the third manx scrap book by w.w gill a

1971
01:12:26,709 --> 01:12:23,920
private publication from 1938 that

1972
01:12:28,390 --> 01:12:26,719
didn't come to light until 1963

1973
01:12:30,790 --> 01:12:28,400
and listen to this

1974
01:12:33,990 --> 01:12:30,800
they say it references the

1975
01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:34,000
fennodiri a hairy supernatural creature

1976
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:36,480
that is said to be a large elemental

1977
01:12:40,870 --> 01:12:39,120
being sounds a lot like what some people

1978
01:12:43,350 --> 01:12:40,880
think bigfoot is

1979
01:12:45,510 --> 01:12:43,360
but also in the scrapbook is this

1980
01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:45,520
account that originally came from a book

1981
01:12:48,950 --> 01:12:47,280
called the undersea giants i'm gonna

1982
01:12:51,110 --> 01:12:48,960
have to check that out

1983
01:12:54,390 --> 01:12:51,120
and it gives a story about a miner from

1984
01:12:56,310 --> 01:12:54,400
laxie who got lost in mining tunnels

1985
01:12:58,630 --> 01:12:56,320
while trying to find his way out he came

1986
01:13:01,110 --> 01:12:58,640
to a great room hollowed in the rock

1987
01:13:02,229 --> 01:13:01,120
with tables and chairs in it all of

1988
01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:02,239
stone

1989
01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:04,400
the light in the room was yellowish and

1990
01:13:09,510 --> 01:13:06,560
seemed to come from above

1991
01:13:11,350 --> 01:13:09,520
six great powerful men in queer rough

1992
01:13:12,310 --> 01:13:11,360
clothes were sitting there and staring

1993
01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:12,320
at him

1994
01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:15,120
he asked them in manx to direct him to

1995
01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:16,960
the upper world they spoke amongst

1996
01:13:19,669 --> 01:13:18,480
themselves in a language he could not

1997
01:13:21,510 --> 01:13:19,679
understand

1998
01:13:23,910 --> 01:13:21,520
and then one turned to him and told him

1999
01:13:26,149 --> 01:13:23,920
that he was under lexi bay

2000
01:13:28,310 --> 01:13:26,159
quote this is the castle of the giants

2001
01:13:29,990 --> 01:13:28,320
that used to be living in laxy and you

2002
01:13:31,350 --> 01:13:30,000
were the first man that ever found his

2003
01:13:33,030 --> 01:13:31,360
way down here

2004
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:33,040
they said they were just putting in the

2005
01:13:37,030 --> 01:13:35,280
time until the island would be fit for

2006
01:13:39,669 --> 01:13:37,040
heroes to live again and they had been

2007
01:13:41,669 --> 01:13:39,679
waiting there hundreds of years

2008
01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:41,679
then one of them gave him a knock on the

2009
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:43,440
head and he didn't know anything until

2010
01:13:48,390 --> 01:13:46,080
he found himself outside the big door he

2011
01:13:50,709 --> 01:13:48,400
tried again to find the area he had seen

2012
01:13:52,790 --> 01:13:50,719
these giants but failed

2013
01:13:54,630 --> 01:13:52,800
well i like it another story that kind

2014
01:13:57,910 --> 01:13:54,640
of sounds like

2015
01:13:59,830 --> 01:13:57,920
fallen angels or watchers kind of stuck

2016
01:14:01,990 --> 01:13:59,840
in the earth waiting for a time when

2017
01:14:03,750 --> 01:14:02,000
they can re-emerge

2018
01:14:06,390 --> 01:14:03,760
another common theme we hear with these

2019
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:06,400
kinds of stories is that a person cannot

2020
01:14:10,470 --> 01:14:08,320
find the place again speaking to a

2021
01:14:12,790 --> 01:14:10,480
metaphysical quality

2022
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:12,800
good stuff i checked my outline for

2023
01:14:17,110 --> 01:14:14,640
other things that i didn't bring up

2024
01:14:18,310 --> 01:14:17,120
because this was just so chalk full of

2025
01:14:20,470 --> 01:14:18,320
material

2026
01:14:23,510 --> 01:14:20,480
and i don't think i asked about the

2027
01:14:25,189 --> 01:14:23,520
lizard people i might have but my notes

2028
01:14:26,390 --> 01:14:25,199
say that i didn't so i'll read it to you

2029
01:14:28,470 --> 01:14:26,400
guys here

2030
01:14:30,149 --> 01:14:28,480
because you can bet that if a book has a

2031
01:14:32,149 --> 01:14:30,159
reference to lizard people i'm gonna

2032
01:14:33,669 --> 01:14:32,159
have to highlight that in an interview

2033
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:33,679
but

2034
01:14:38,390 --> 01:14:35,920
they write a strange story about the

2035
01:14:41,030 --> 01:14:38,400
origins of the cornish giants discussed

2036
01:14:42,950 --> 01:14:41,040
a race of inferior people who went about

2037
01:14:43,910 --> 01:14:42,960
on all fours and spoke in a strange

2038
01:14:45,910 --> 01:14:43,920
tongue

2039
01:14:48,149 --> 01:14:45,920
these were called the lizard people a

2040
01:14:50,310 --> 01:14:48,159
large ship was one day wrecked off the

2041
01:14:52,310 --> 01:14:50,320
coast and some giant survivors settled

2042
01:14:54,149 --> 01:14:52,320
amongst the lizard people

2043
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:54,159
gradually interbreeding with them over

2044
01:14:59,110 --> 01:14:56,880
the generations their offspring became

2045
01:15:02,229 --> 01:14:59,120
renowned in the area being very tall

2046
01:15:04,310 --> 01:15:02,239
intelligent and superior in many ways

2047
01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:04,320
it is said that in this area of cornwall

2048
01:15:09,030 --> 01:15:06,960
local residents still often reach over

2049
01:15:11,189 --> 01:15:09,040
six feet tall

2050
01:15:14,390 --> 01:15:11,199
well that's a hell of a story again the

2051
01:15:17,430 --> 01:15:14,400
theme of watchers fallen angels giants

2052
01:15:19,189 --> 01:15:17,440
breeding with people in this case some

2053
01:15:21,510 --> 01:15:19,199
kind of primitive

2054
01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:21,520
lizard person

2055
01:15:25,750 --> 01:15:23,280
i don't know the world is a weird place

2056
01:15:27,750 --> 01:15:25,760
but i do love hearing about it

2057
01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:27,760
but their book is just full of stories

2058
01:15:31,110 --> 01:15:29,280
like this so many things that we

2059
01:15:33,189 --> 01:15:31,120
couldn't fit into a two-hour interview

2060
01:15:34,790 --> 01:15:33,199
and i'm anxious to read their book about

2061
01:15:37,270 --> 01:15:34,800
north american giants because i'm sure

2062
01:15:39,110 --> 01:15:37,280
it's just as dense

2063
01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:39,120
so good show today of course if you

2064
01:15:43,590 --> 01:15:41,280
liked the free first hour you're missing

2065
01:15:45,430 --> 01:15:43,600
half the interview just become a member

2066
01:15:47,669 --> 01:15:45,440
you know you like what i do why not get

2067
01:15:49,750 --> 01:15:47,679
the full episodes eight bucks eight

2068
01:15:53,270 --> 01:15:49,760
dollars is worth less every day but you

2069
01:15:55,110 --> 01:15:53,280
can still get thc plus how about that

2070
01:15:57,270 --> 01:15:55,120
but in this one we added a lot more to

2071
01:15:59,350 --> 01:15:57,280
the stack we got into several other

2072
01:16:02,229 --> 01:15:59,360
tales of giants living underground and

2073
01:16:04,550 --> 01:16:02,239
in caves astrological alignments the

2074
01:16:06,950 --> 01:16:04,560
origins of the giants metaphysical

2075
01:16:09,189 --> 01:16:06,960
secrets of the ancients

2076
01:16:11,590 --> 01:16:09,199
my favorite section ancient crispr

2077
01:16:13,030 --> 01:16:11,600
creations of the atlantean geneticists

2078
01:16:14,229 --> 01:16:13,040
maybe that's where those lizard people

2079
01:16:17,030 --> 01:16:14,239
came from

2080
01:16:20,390 --> 01:16:17,040
the giants cave in eden hall

2081
01:16:23,590 --> 01:16:20,400
the catalina giants and land missing

2082
01:16:25,990 --> 01:16:23,600
from modern maps like high brazil island

2083
01:16:28,070 --> 01:16:26,000
you know i love land missing from old

2084
01:16:29,750 --> 01:16:28,080
maps it's a very provocative thing to

2085
01:16:31,110 --> 01:16:29,760
get into and

2086
01:16:32,790 --> 01:16:31,120
they touch on it

2087
01:16:34,790 --> 01:16:32,800
solid stuff and don't forget the

2088
01:16:37,350 --> 01:16:34,800
standard seven day free trial that we

2089
01:16:38,310 --> 01:16:37,360
got going on now so hop on in and check

2090
01:16:40,390 --> 01:16:38,320
it out

2091
01:16:42,149 --> 01:16:40,400
in higher side news there's not a ton to

2092
01:16:45,270 --> 01:16:42,159
report we're still playing with the

2093
01:16:48,070 --> 01:16:45,280
formatting of the netflix style display

2094
01:16:50,229 --> 01:16:48,080
on the landing page of the website we

2095
01:16:51,669 --> 01:16:50,239
found a way to use the full images which

2096
01:16:53,750 --> 01:16:51,679
is great

2097
01:16:55,990 --> 01:16:53,760
i think we can make the boxes a bit

2098
01:16:57,830 --> 01:16:56,000
smaller and try to fit more on screen

2099
01:17:00,070 --> 01:16:57,840
but that's coming up

2100
01:17:02,709 --> 01:17:00,080
we built out a better account management

2101
01:17:05,350 --> 01:17:02,719
page and the new more integrated forum

2102
01:17:07,430 --> 01:17:05,360
feels like a solid improvement

2103
01:17:10,070 --> 01:17:07,440
i guess i would say that i could use a

2104
01:17:11,990 --> 01:17:10,080
few more forum moderators we just need a

2105
01:17:14,390 --> 01:17:12,000
small team of people that have some

2106
01:17:17,189 --> 01:17:14,400
experience doing this kind of thing

2107
01:17:19,590 --> 01:17:17,199
that want to primarily just help keep

2108
01:17:22,310 --> 01:17:19,600
threads and categories organized for the

2109
01:17:24,550 --> 01:17:22,320
sake of overall readability

2110
01:17:27,270 --> 01:17:24,560
and of course police the occasional use

2111
01:17:28,550 --> 01:17:27,280
of slurs and threats and inappropriate

2112
01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:28,560
stuff

2113
01:17:32,470 --> 01:17:30,800
and look i give a very long leash for

2114
01:17:34,630 --> 01:17:32,480
that kind of thing but of course some

2115
01:17:37,030 --> 01:17:34,640
people can't help themselves and i can't

2116
01:17:38,709 --> 01:17:37,040
be there to keep an eye on everyone

2117
01:17:40,390 --> 01:17:38,719
so if you have forum moderation

2118
01:17:42,550 --> 01:17:40,400
experience and you like doing that kind

2119
01:17:45,189 --> 01:17:42,560
of thing shoot me an email at the higher

2120
01:17:47,430 --> 01:17:45,199
side chats gmail.com and we can do a

2121
01:17:49,590 --> 01:17:47,440
free plus membership for helping me out

2122
01:17:51,110 --> 01:17:49,600
for as long as you want to do it

2123
01:17:52,950 --> 01:17:51,120
i'm not going to be able to respond to

2124
01:17:55,110 --> 01:17:52,960
every email i get on this i can tell you

2125
01:17:57,750 --> 01:17:55,120
that now so please

2126
01:17:59,830 --> 01:17:57,760
show me where you've done this before

2127
01:18:02,390 --> 01:17:59,840
be clear and concise and it'll help make

2128
01:18:03,430 --> 01:18:02,400
it easier for me and i appreciate you in

2129
01:18:06,630 --> 01:18:03,440
advance

2130
01:18:09,990 --> 01:18:06,640
as for meetups on the calendar well

2131
01:18:14,070 --> 01:18:10,000
today march 6th there is the la picnic

2132
01:18:16,149 --> 01:18:14,080
meetup at the la state historic park

2133
01:18:18,550 --> 01:18:16,159
i really wanted to make it to this one

2134
01:18:21,030 --> 01:18:18,560
but here i am trying to get a new show

2135
01:18:23,910 --> 01:18:21,040
up and i just don't see myself driving

2136
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:23,920
up to la and back today i am sorry

2137
01:18:29,430 --> 01:18:26,400
but also today we have the

2138
01:18:30,870 --> 01:18:29,440
cabin boys brewery meetup in tulsa

2139
01:18:34,390 --> 01:18:30,880
oklahoma

2140
01:18:36,630 --> 01:18:34,400
and then next week march 11th there is

2141
01:18:39,910 --> 01:18:36,640
another new york city one happening at

2142
01:18:43,030 --> 01:18:39,920
cafe 28. check the calendar for details

2143
01:18:45,510 --> 01:18:43,040
and times and to rsvp so the organizer

2144
01:18:47,510 --> 01:18:45,520
knows how many people to expect

2145
01:18:50,390 --> 01:18:47,520
but those are the next three add your

2146
01:18:52,390 --> 01:18:50,400
own events if you want to meet other thc

2147
01:18:54,070 --> 01:18:52,400
fans in your area and build the local

2148
01:18:55,990 --> 01:18:54,080
relationships that we are going to need

2149
01:18:58,550 --> 01:18:56,000
for the next few years

2150
01:19:00,950 --> 01:18:58,560
tell your favorite podcast hosts to hop

2151
01:19:03,030 --> 01:19:00,960
over and make joint events

2152
01:19:05,590 --> 01:19:03,040
the more the merrier i say the only real

2153
01:19:08,310 --> 01:19:05,600
rule is that we are not promoting paid

2154
01:19:10,870 --> 01:19:08,320
events these are free hangouts but other

2155
01:19:12,669 --> 01:19:10,880
podcasts and their audiences are welcome

2156
01:19:14,950 --> 01:19:12,679
too

2157
01:19:17,830 --> 01:19:14,960
highersidemeetups.com to make it happen

2158
01:19:19,990 --> 01:19:17,840
and that's about it i really enjoyed jim

2159
01:19:21,910 --> 01:19:20,000
and hugh's work and it was a pleasure to

2160
01:19:23,990 --> 01:19:21,920
talk to them i hope you enjoyed it as

2161
01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:24,000
well the book is worth it if you're into

2162
01:19:26,709 --> 01:19:25,920
giants and geomancy and all the rest of

2163
01:19:34,229 --> 01:19:26,719
it

2164
01:19:41,910 --> 01:19:34,239
geomantic art erasers and magical

2165
01:19:50,070 --> 01:19:46,229
the truth has been hidden from me

2166
01:19:54,149 --> 01:19:50,080
didn't believe in myself

2167
01:20:00,390 --> 01:19:54,159
got lizard people on top of the world

2168
01:20:08,629 --> 01:20:04,070
believe it or not the truth is out there

2169
01:20:13,110 --> 01:20:08,639
for people who have the eyes to see

2170
01:20:16,070 --> 01:20:13,120
my favorite show makes me more aware

2171
01:20:18,550 --> 01:20:16,080
who could it be

2172
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:18,560
[Music]

2173
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:20,370
thc

2174
01:20:31,430 --> 01:20:21,370
[Applause]

2175
01:20:39,750 --> 01:20:35,830
just watch the tv and obey

2176
01:20:42,550 --> 01:20:39,760
take some more pills when you're blue

2177
01:20:43,910 --> 01:20:42,560
or we'll break you out of the spell that

2178
01:20:50,070 --> 01:20:43,920
you're in

2179
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:53,669
believe it or not the truth is out there

2180
01:20:58,310 --> 01:20:56,770
for people who have the eyes to see

2181
01:21:02,790 --> 01:20:58,320
[Music]

2182
01:21:06,629 --> 01:21:02,800
my favorite show makes me more aware

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who could it be

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the higher side chat thc

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thc

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is here for you

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[Music]

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believe it or not

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[Music]

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my favorite show makes me more aware

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[Music]

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my favorite show makes me more aware

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who could it be

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the higher side chess thc

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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and that is another show complete

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remember as much as you enjoyed this

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which is just the free first hour i hope

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you'll become a plus member to hear the

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full two hour interviews

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you also can engage with other plus

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members in the comments and the forums

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and you'll find your answer to one of

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the most common questions i get which is

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where can i find those cover songs that

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you use at the end of the show well they

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are free downloads for plus members too

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and without plus members i can't hire

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the occasional musician to bring these

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odd cover song ideas to fruition plus

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members are how i'm able to do what i do

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without ads and without the big machine

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being on my back

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we can fit so much more into a two-hour

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interview and i do my best to make it

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worth your time and money the

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conversation only gets deeper weirder

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and more controversial in that private

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hour how could it not the way things are

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going

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but the best way to sign up is at the

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highersidechats.com where new first-time

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subscribers always get a free seven-day

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trial because i'm just that confident

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there's no pay pal on the website but if

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you need to use paypal then sign up

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through patreon and you get all the same

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episodes

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our website is a credit or debit system

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but you can also scope out the other

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options like a few various cryptos cash

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or check mail to the po box and i'll

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even barter with most people if you have

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your own business and produce something

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nice that my wife or kid or taste buds

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might like but the architects of

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consensus reality have made it clear

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that these themes and topics aren't

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really welcome on the main stage and so

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this is how we secure a little counter

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culture corner for ourselves and i hope

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you'll join plus because that is the

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only way it works

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besides you can cancel anytime right on

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your profile page the most common

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concern i hear is people just being

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unsure if thc plus will work with their

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podcast app and the answer is probably

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yes but if not we have several high

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level app recommendations for whatever

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phone you use and the website is made

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for mobile too

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we're trained to tip a waitress for

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bringing us a sandwich but that tip

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doesn't give you access to a second

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sandwich really i'm not asking for any

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more than that and i think i offer a

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better service come get your second

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serving of tasty conspiracy goodness in

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exchange for that small token of your

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appreciation beyond that let it also be

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known that we have grown and survived as

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long as we have by word of mouth

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i don't care so much about social media

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likes or follows but tell the right

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people about thc

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and not just listeners but the high

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level figures who are better suited to

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sit down with me than most other hosts

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and if you can help me with any of these

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things i can work to bring you better

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shows which is just a win-win for both

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of us

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informative entertaining and

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action-packed it also never hurts to

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thank a guest you liked if you have the

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time either we want them to know people

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are listening so they're willing to come

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back down the road too thank you for